Pas Steven’s announcement over the pulpit yesterday morning on the Calvary Convention Centre (CCC) situation was brief and general. But what he said was misleading and a gross misrepresentation of the seriousness of the situation affecting the extravagant project. He said that the main contractor, Nam Fatt Bhd had defaulted on the contract to complete the CCC by 14 October 2009 and consequently, the Church had issued them a Notice of Default. He went on to say that the deacons are now studying various options and as a result, the completion of the CCC has been moved to 2011.
Pas Steven and Pas Guneratnam (PG) and his deacons probably thought Calvarites are little kids who can be easily fooled.
The news of the failure of Nam Fatt to complete the project on schedule did not shock anyone because most of the members already know that work at the site stopped months ago. The rest are probably simply blinded by the pastors' charm to recognise the truth. And now, this announcement comes just 4 months after our recent AGM, during which, ex-deacon Han assured the members that work at the site is progressing and has not stopped. It is obvious now that Bro Han and the Board of Deacons lied through their teeth at the AGM.
What irk most members was that Pas Steven could nonchalantly announce that the completion of the project is now moved to 2011. Anyone with some knowledge of the construction industry or even some common sense can tell you that in a situation like this, it takes months and sometimes, years to resolve the many issues and disputes that arise with such stoppages. Unless, of course, the Church is willing to throw extra millions to clear the claims by Nam Fatt and or the sub-contractors and to induce a new contractor to quickly re-commence and complete the abandoned project without going through the rigmarole of project due diligence, engineering surveys and valuation.
Just like PG’s past failed visions for Calvaryland, a 5,000-seat church in Sri Hartamas and a redevelopment of the existing Damansara Heights sanctuary into a multi-storey horse-shoe design church, his vision of the RM200 million 5,000- seat CCC now appears to be heading the same direction of another failure.
With the impending CCC Fund-raising Carnival that will be held later this month, we wonder what propaganda would be churned out to mitigate this damaging news. Be prepared to hear comments like "It's not that serious", "Just a slight delay only", "Don't listen to the devil", "Trust God" and all those 'feel good' factors, the 'Calvary Boleh" and 'all is well' messages.
BY God's divine wisdom and guidance, CT received the following article just 3 days ago from a member. CT wanted to verify the statements therein before publishing it. Yesterday’s announcement has confirmed that the CCC project has indeed stopped. There are many interesting questions raised by the author, which only PG and his deacons can answer. With what has happened, the situation now demands that PG and his deacons come out openly with truthful answers. No more lies, Pas Prince Guneratnam!
(The following article was contributed by a long-serving member)
ABRAHAM WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CITY……
Received ‘very reliable’ confirmation that construction works for CCC had stopped due to non-payment to the Sub-Contractors (SC). Sources revealed that the church had been paying, but the problem is on the Main Contractor’s (MC) side. Another interesting revelation is that, 14th. Oct. 2009 is the official Date of Completion for the project.
Pertinent questions are begging for answers now.
1) Was there any proper due diligence done in selecting the MC; such as:-
i) Pre-tender qualifications,
ii) Tender interview conducted after submission of tender with such questions as to the ability & capability of the MC to take on a project of this magnitude with regards to financial, technical, human resource & job commitment.
iii) What was documented in the tender reports?
2) If the church decides to determine the contract, we still have to pay the MC for all the work done as per the certification of the QS, & then we are saddled with a host of problems;
i) What happened to the warranties to the work executed by the MC & his SCs, bearing in mind, whosoever tenders for the remaining portion of the work would put in a premium for this warranties as well as responsibilities for all the works previously executed.
ii). What about the defects, whether discovered earlier and documented and waiting to be rectified or yet to be discovered as well as latent defects (defects appearing in later stage). Who will be responsible, do we pay extra to the next MC to undertake the rectifications.
iii). Would the contracts of the existing SCs be determined as well, would the new MC have to work with the existing SCs, can he get along with them, or get his own SCs, what about warranties & responsibilities of the existing SCs?
All these problems have a weightage to the amount the new tenderer would bid for the job and notwithstanding that, the current cost of materials & labour.
3) What happened to our rights and remedies under the contract?
Contractually, if the MC fails to complete the project on time and if he had exhausted all avenues for application for Extension of Time, Certificate of Non-Completion would be issued and then Liquidated & Ascertained damages would be recommended by the QS, giving the client the prerogative to deduct whatever monies due to the penalty for every Certificate of Payment presented by the MC. Could the MC still continue when monies are deducted, when even he had difficulty paying his SCs when money was not deducted.
Question is, does the MC have any application of time pending, as we have heard of ‘numerous changes’ being made. If these changes are caused by the client & consultants, the MC has valid grounds.
In the light of the MC non-performance in paying the SCs & his failure to complete the project on schedule, why did the church accept the Performance Bond in the form of ‘Corporate Guarantee’(on hindsight). The church has never been in the construction business & do not know the reputation and background of contractors, why did it trust the MC to the extent of accepting a ‘Corporate Guarantee’.
‘Corporate Guarantee’ is an exception rather than the norm, as most Performance Bonds are in the form of ‘Bank Guarantee’ or at worse, ‘Insurance Guarantee’. What recourse do we have, besides determining the contract. We have to console ourselves with the tattered reputation of the MC as Performance Bond. Normally, even when the MC have submitted a Bank Guarantee as Performance Bond, the client still will be on the losing side, should the contract be determined prematurely, due to non-performance of the MC. More so in this case.
The church lost out in terms of time & money as the new premises would not ready for occupation for quite a while, should the contract of the current MC be determined.
Two examples of the ‘feel good factors’ :-
1) When the church bought the land at Bukit Jalil, it highlighted that it had got a discount for the commercial portion of the land. Even though it was at a discounted price, the church is not putting up a commercial building, for all intent & purposes, it’s a church building, so, we paid extra for a commercial land to build a church building; it is akin to buying a piece of commercial land, even though at a discounted price, but building a residential building on it. This was not made known, only a half-truth was disseminated that we got the land at a discounted price…and everyone was so happy.
2) When the construction price shot up to RM150 million, they told us that there was a reduction in the ‘contingency sum’. Now a ‘contingency sum’ is for the purpose of….A CONTINGENCY. It is prudent for any project to allocate a 5% of the total construction cost for ‘contingency sum’. However you might not have to utilize this sum. So, for them to increase the cost from RM50 million and then throw in a feel good factor that the contingency sum is being reduced is a deception. You might as well jack up the construction cost to include in the contingency sum and tell all and sundry that this project is so well planned, that there is no need of a contingency sum.
Going back a little bit further, Calvarites have all along been led by the nose in accepting the building of a 5000 seating capacity 'church', it's "God's vision" and it had to succeed come what may. Wonder whether this so-called "God's vision" encompassed the following :-
1) A RM100 million mistake. This was acknowledged by the renowned architect who wants to build a signature building. Has the BOD practiced due diligence with our money and questioned how and why this RM100 million mistake was committed.
i) Has anyone thought of filing a 'professional negligence' suit against the architect or at least lodging a complaint with Lembaga Akitek Malaysia or Pertubuhan Akitek Malaysia to suspend his practice?
ii) After all, has anyone ever heard of a RM100 million mistake?
iii) Was the decision to award to him, even after knowing his religious leaning, with consensus & above board?
2) During the 2007 AGM, HJK challenged the congregation by saying that "God asked, am I not worth that much?". Yet during the 2008 AGM, he spinned a tale that 'by value engineering (which actually is another name for cost-cutting, albeit a better sounding name), the church saved RM40 million, without compromising on design intent and quality. When questioned how did he managed to do that, he was dumbfounded and had to be 'rescued' by the Project Manager who said that they changed the material for the roof from 'enamel' to 'alucobond'.
i) Is that not a compromise for quality?
ii) The question is still ringing in my ears, "Am I (God) not worth more than that?", why need to cost-cut?
If you can saved RM40 million by cost-cutting and without having to compromise on the design intent and the quality, it means in the first place, you have jacked up the actual figure and then bringing it down to look good. HJK might now clarify that he was wearing different shoes when he spoke up during the different AGMs, remember how he said that he spoke in the capacity of a life-group leader & not a deacon, when promoting Calvary Kini. Anyway, I have never trusted people with multiple personalities.
3). The building had to be scaled down due to the exorbitant cost and yet with a lower construction cost, the MC could not performed and did not pay his SCs.
i) What would have happened had the cost not be scaled down, would the stoppage happened earlier?
ii) Was the decision to award to the MC done above-board?
iii) Was there a pre-determined plan to award to the current MC despite and in spite of whatever adverse reports?
Your guess is as good as mine. Most of us have not seen the drawings, specifications & documents pertaining to CCC, much less the tender reports. There are no monthly or bimonthly updates on the building, how much was paid out, what stage had the building been up to, whether the progress of construction is ahead or delayed, nothing, zilch. The whole project is shrouded in secrecy, more stringent than the official secrets act. You only give and don't question is the mantra not only applicable to tithes & offerings but also to CCC.
iv) How long had the MC not been paying the SCs and when was this brought into the open? It surely cannot be an overnight affair.
v) What has the consultants, especially the architect been advising, since he is the superintending officer of the project and would have known all this, or is he still busy looking at his design, first thing in the morning & the last thing at night that he had forgotten to administer the contract professionally or is there another RM100 million mistake in the making?
vi) What actions have been taken by the project team and the client to resolve the situation, like making direct payments to the SCs, so that the project can continue?
vii) Why is the church still paying the MC until now, is there something you & I don't know?
Anyway you look at it, the church members will have to bear the brunt of this fiasco.
SOMEBODY, PLEASE HELP……… ANYBODY……….. P L E A S E ……
“ Abraham was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God” (Heb 11:10) ; Calvarites are forced to look forward to a building without foundations of Truth, Transparency & Godly Governance, whose architect is a Free Mason and the builder is a default-paying MC.
“Abraham believed in God and it was imputed to him as righteousness” (Rom 4:3); Calvarites were made to believe in a Tan Sri/Dato’/Dr but it can only be imputed to them as blind or misguided faith.
57 comments:
Calvary Church leadership is heading towards a catastrophic financial disaster! BUT they are still trying to act cool.
In the past they managed to pull wool over members' and worshippers' eyes. However this time round it is not the case anymore.
With all the recent discoveries how can they still assume that by short and sweet announcements over the pulpit that they can still be believed? No way!
PG, Pastors and BOD have lost their credibility completely already.
Thanks CT for revealing all the blunders, mistakes and negligence by leaders (PG and BOD) who should have acted responsibly and with utmost honesty and integrity towards members and all supporters of the CCC project.
We have all the relevant information now which in the past have been shielded from us purposely so that CC leaders can do whatever they wanted to do... they just want the moneys but not give any accountability for their actions.
We want full responsibility and accountability by CC leadership.
Sometime ago a mature and well experienced Calvarite confronted deacons ER and PT with the published accounts of Nam Fatt which he downloaded from the internet. Both deacons admitted that they had not even looked at the accounts. They did not know that at the time of award NF had RM500 million in bank borrowings and another RM500 million owing to subcontractors. How could the BOD advance RM8 million to NF without knowing their financial condition? Gross negligence!!! Asking for the advance itself would have raised many red flags.
The work stopped in April. Why wait until now to tell us? In the meantime still bluffing us with nice photos of the job site. The newly elected deacons are equally guilty of this deception.
Sure SK "nonchalantly announce that the completion of the project is now moved to 2011". How else could he have done it? If he sounded panicky or anxious, everybody would wake up. So just do the usual tidak-apa, nothing serious, you-all-don't-need-to-know attitude so people won't question. SP does not want the people to realise that he has made such a severe mistake that will cause not only his own downfall but will affect people's perception of Christianity, particularly in the Malaysian context because the CCC was so widely publicized in the local media. TTG, with this, once again, you are proven right with hard facts! Truth always prevails!
Remember the photo of the contract signing ceremony between NF and CC. PG Junior was sitting next to PG and was designated as being in charge of the project? Where is he in all this? What has he been doing? Why hide behind the BOD and HJK now? Glory you want. Responsibility No.
BOD please call an EGM and explain everything to us. It is our sacrificial money that you are playing with. A short announcement at Sunday service won't do. Tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Carnival is here soon. CCC is on the way to the carnival. Go see for yourself what PG and the BOD had done. Ask God for forgiveness and mercy on all of us for allowing ourselves to be misled and manipulated.
PG’s Vision Begins To Crumble
Thanks for sharing
WHERE IS YOUR WISDOM!
I pity those who still blindly believe in the rogue leaders of Calvary Church.
WHERE IS YOUR WISDOM?
The Bible says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." (James 1:5)
1 Kings 3:9 "So give Your servant an understanding heart to judge Your people to discern between good and evil. For who is able to judge this great people of Yours?"
Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."
James 3:17 "But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy."
What is wisdom?
Wisdom is mental excellence in its greatest sense, more comprehensive and far-reaching than mere knowledge. Knowledge is an awareness and understanding of the facts. Wisdom is the ability to adapt those facts into accomplishing a desired end. God knows all the facts, but also has the ability to work everything He knows into a perfect plan that accomplishes His perfect purpose.
The most exciting aspect of God’s wisdom is that He offers to share it with us.
Scripture makes it clear that we need divine wisdom. Solomon devoted nearly nine chapters in the book of Proverbs to the need for wisdom. Just as he sought it from God, so he encourages us to do likewise: “Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding” (Proverbs 4:7 NIV).
The New Testament echoes that need: “Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men, but as wise, making the most of your time, because the days are evil.
So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is” (Ephesians 5:15-17). Again, real wisdom is basically knowing the right thing to do in every situation—knowing and doing the will of God.
God will hold us accountable if we continue to believe in a lie when evidence suggest to the contrary!
For those who continue to leave their brains (common sense/wisdom) outside when they enter the church, this is a gentle reminder to heed the warnings of the Bible. The book of Proverbs summons everyone to get KNOWLEDGE and speak WISDOM!
God says through Hosea 4:6, "My people perish for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to Me."
People perish for lack of knowledge. They stumble along in the darkness of their daily lives and wake up to find themselves rejected by God.
Proverbs 24:3-6 says: By wisdom a house is built and by understanding it is established; by knowledge the rooms are filled with all precious and pleasant riches. A wise man is mightier than a strong man and a man of knowledge than he who has strength; for by wise guidance you can wage your war and in abundance of counselors there is victory.
Calvary Today has highlight many short comings of the present leadership of Calvary Church. It is time for the congregation to gather all the facts (knowledge) and through spiritual wisdom make sound decision/judgement!
IT IS TIME TO REJECT ROGUE CHRISTIAN LEADERS!
Remaining passive or running away from responsibility is NOT AN OPTION! C.T. Studd would call such "Chocolate Christians" - because they melt in the heat of the battle.
But standing firm where God has planted you and actively sounding your trumpet as a watchman is the only true course for a genuine Christian soldier.
WHO ARE YOU: A CHOCOLATE CHRISTIAN OR A GENUINE CHRISTIAN SOLDIER?
An abridged copy of the book is available here:
http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/thechocolatesoldier.htm
Vijay
Can you remember what reasons Deacon Han JK gave about the delay in the contruction of CCC during the AGM on 19/6/2009?
He said that the completion would be delayed by 12 months. The reasons he gave were: (1) Changes in designs and (2) Remedial works for Contract 1.
If the two reasons are true, then the fault lies in calvary church and not the contractor.
Now the reason given by Pas Steven's statement is that the contractor defaulted in the 20 month contract period.
But, Han during AGM in JUne 2009 (just 4 months ago to be exact) did not bring to the attention of members that the contractor was the cause of the delay.
Why was he protecting the contractor and instead took responsibility that the church was the cause in the design changes and remedial work of the earlier contractor?
Was Han telling the truth to the members? Or did he tell half-truths?
Is it that PG and BOD are fully aware that they had chosen a wrong contractor for whatever reasons?
There are far too many questions and few satisfying answers. Members have to demand a full investigation into this failure of frightening proportion.
ACTION:
1. BOD to convene an EGM and give an account of what's happening.
2. BOD to set up a INDEPENDENT AND TRUTH COMMITTEE for the sole purpose of investigating into whole project.
3. In the meantime, the CCC Main Committee together with Sn Pastor should be suspended pending investigation.
4. As this project involves collecting public funds, authorities may have to be called in to investigate.
1. Pastor Steven mentioned on Sunday service that both the combined golf tournament and bowling had raised more than RM100,000. It was more than what was expected..
2. Some committees confided that he/she himself/herself were shocked that the financial governance task force and the constitution review committee had been 'disbanded' sometime back. Being in committee also dont know about this..
3. Now the first service only around 200--350 people attending the servicce.
4. Now the second service around 400-550 people attending the service.
5. The love-offering collection had dropped by 50% or slightly more than 50%.
Time for CC leaders to stop all the SHOWMANSHIP ACTING!
Look at PG...In his preaching to demonstrate looking for one lost sheep..he ran from one end to the other in front of the pulpit. IN HIS REAL LIFE, SHOW US HE RAN FROM ONE NEIGHBOUR TO ANOTHER TO WITNESS FOR CHRIST. (Ask his neighbour where is he)
Look at Patrick Wong..In powerpoint presentation during AGM to demonstrate growth in the church statistics..he used tortoise to symbolise God's children in slowness and retardation..IN REAL LIFE, SHOW US YOU RAN LIKE A HARE TO HELP ANOTHER WORSHIPPER (Ask the congregation where is he)
Look at Han JK..In video presentation of CCC Leap of faith..he used the high jump bar to jump to show us what is leap in faith..IN REAL LIFE, SHOW US YOU CAN PERFORM MIRACLE (SAID BY PG TOO) THAT CCC COMPLETION BY LEAP IN FAITH IN NAM FATT (Ask Pas Steven where is the high jump bar when he made the announcement of Nam Fatt's default)
Look at (( ))..hope not a CRYING BABY..to show us the tears..
Please STOP all these hypocrisy and LIVE as HUMBLE SERVANT for CHRIST. You will go farther for CHRIST and HIS KINGDOM.
Please STOP all these theatric acts..It's childish. Don't fool worshippers..They are not kids.
the thing that is so super puzzling is why there are still so many naive christians in calvary still giving blindly and 'faithfully'
do they not see that God's grace/favour has run out for Prince Guneratnam's 'visions' and projects?
CCC was to cost RM50 mil but latest estimate is RM150mil. 300 % cost overrun. Now the project has come to a standstill The CCC committee has not shown good stewardship from day one.
My roof is leaking, I will mend it when the rain stops, may be tomorrow morning.
I am telling you the truth, my roof is really leaking now.
Though I could not afford to hire someone to fix my roof.
But, I am not ashame to let you know.
I just have to collect the rain.
Dear Pastor SK, can you tell the truth. Just like you always said.
Live by what you were sharing to us years ago in SCG.
Not half 'truth', not contaminated 'truth', not others but simple truth.
You know what I meant, cause you told me so.
Speak truth, live by the truth. If you know the truth, the truth will set you free. Will set you free indeed!
I believe.
CC leadership thrives on lies and over the years they have become very polished and good at it so much so many members and worshippers just believed them wholesale.
However, since the truth has been revealed about CCC and how the project has been mishandled and mismanaged where are the people responsible for it? Where is PG and BOD? Why are they still telling stories one after another and not assuming responsibilty for the whole disaster?
Guess for PG and BOD it is a real nightmare turning true. What did they do as stewards for the gifts from members and supporters for the CCC project over the years? Actually all the warning signs of things not right were there, just that they swept the dirt under the carpet.
Now it has turned into a huge volcano that is about to erupt in their faces! PG, pastors and BOD time to humble yourselves and do the right thing....the longer you drag the matter the more difficult for you to recover from the fall from grace.
BOD tell the Truth, nothing But the Truth! You owe this to the members of CC!
Saw this comment, dated 17 Oct 09 3:35pm by God’s Vision or PG’s vision, in the earlier posting entitled “Where Would Jesus Give To In Times Like These” which ought to be posted here as well …………
Contractor Watch said "Will God send a failed contractor to build a church building if it is His Will?"
Likewise, we need to ask ourselves "Will God send us a Free-Mason Architect to design His House?"
If not, then "Is CCC really His House & His Vision or his (PG's) vision?"
Meditate & pray for God to reveal to you whether He wants CCC to be built or not. Remember to do God's Will & not man's will.
As is written in Psalms 127:1 "Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it".
In Luke 14:28-30, Jesus tells a parable about the "man who did not count his cost, began to build & was left with an unfinished tower". Did PG & BOD really counted the costs or did they just go on blind faith?
God sent a sister to warn CC at an EGM by quoting Luke 14:28 but yet PG & BOD chose not to heed the warning & instead chose to bulldoze ahead with his (PG's) project.
PG has been pushing for CCC to be built, even before some of the other churches around decide to build their own churches. Now they are already enjoying the Lord's blessing in their new premises while CC (& PG) is still labouring in vain to build what the Lord doesn't want.
Let the name of Jesus be glorified in all this. Let the vain glory of man be destroyed. "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose."
Following from earlier comment by "On behalf Of 'God's Vision or PG's Vision" indeed we are reminded of several warnings to CC leadership about the wisdom of the mammoth CCC project.
Yet pastors and BOD just blindly endorsed the project. They did not use their minds or proper expertise to evaluate and manage the project. The reasons being that they want to please PG and let him realize his plans at all expense.
Many members have privately expressed concern over the CCC project to pastors and BOD but they just ignored us. Perhaps they left their brains outside at the door of church when they went to church. Or could it be they have been brain washed?
If PG, pastors and BOD had acknowledged their mistakes and do something to arrest the situation, the matter would not have plunged to this stage.
So one wonders why are they still clinging to pride and refusing to do anything but to telling more lies to cover up their earlier lies?
The labouring on will turn out in vain as pointed out in parable in Luke 14:28-30
Talking about God sending warnings to PG & BOD through the Calvarites, I recall this shocker at an EGM some years ago (after the EGM when the parable from Luke 14:28 was shared) ........
A Calvarite was complimenting PG & BOD for their securing of the RM 185m tax exemption for CCC but he pointed out that :-
1. since the IRB would not grant us a figure higher than what we would have applied for, therefore the BOD must have applied for at least RM 185m, if not higher; and
2. since the IRB would take at least 4 to 6 months before granting us the tax exemption, plus the fact that the tax exemption approval was received 2 months before that EGM, it would follow that PG & BOD would have knew at least 6 to 8 months prior to that EGM that the project costs for CCC, including land, is expected to escalate to, at least RM 185m, which was the tax exempt amount.
The brother then asked a searching question ”If that was so, why then did it take the BOD more than 6 months to tell the church that the CCC project costs had escalated from RM 100m as stated earlier to RM 185m?”
Bro. Han was stunned momentarily before he answered that ”to say that we knew that the project costs had escalated 6 months ago is not entirely true as what we did when we submitted the tax exemption was that we just up the figure a little bit”.
The brother then commented that “he was learning from Bro. Han that, as a Christian, we can UP THE FIGURE (which is tantamount to telling a lie) a little bit” & he repeated for emphasis “UP THE FIGURE a little bit”. Bro. Han was red-faced & PG had to come in to the rescue.
So fellow Calvarites, it is very obvious that the spirit of lying & deceit has been upon CC for many, many years; only true repentance from all Calvarites, starting from PG & BOD, will appease God’s Wrath which is why the Holy Anointing has left CC for many, many years.
Lip service by PG of “if I have hurt anybody .....” will not suffice because PG does NOT sincerely believe, in the first place, that he has hurt anybody at all, as he had emphasised quite clearly on the word “IF” at both the Easter service early this year & a recent Friday’s Prayer meeting.
Wake up you slumberers & be wise to the wiles of man, God will not be mocked anymore. Enough is enough. Wake up before it is too late, do not be yoked with liars.
In June of this year, I noticed that construction has halted at the site. At first I thought I was mistaken. I waited a few more weeks and drove past CCC again. There seemed to be no activity. It was a working day; not a weekend. Then I called one of the full time staff in church. She told me that construction was going on as planned. In fact, I did believe her and thought I should go see it again just to be sure. This time I went with a few friends. True enough, there appeared to be inactivity. I don't know if the church staff had lied to me or she herself wasn't even aware.
I'm a very concerned member of the Church. I've never really given to the CCC project cause I didn't receive the vision from God. I've prayed about this but it just never impacted me spiritually. Nevertheless, I read a good article today about financial stewardship by God's anointed leaders.
Some of you may have heard of Biju Thampy. When he was sponsored to study and be trained for ministry in England, he requested the school officials to park his meal allowance to missions. Biju was used to hunger. He could live with just one meal a day because he knew poverty from where he came (India). Today Biju's church in Mumbai feeds around 1000 children a day while teaching the gospel.
I have seen such an example of one particular pastor in Malaysia. He was loved by his congregation. I heard that he did not want a big salary but instead only took what he felt was just enough for his basic living. The rest was given back to church. When my friend visited his home, it was bare. There was just a bar of soap and a towel in his bathroom. There were Christian books in all his shelves. No television. No radio. But the church where he served loved him so much that it soon became known even at the place where I worked about how good this Pastor was. People in my office became very curious. I started to tell others about this nice Pastor. He would arrive the earliest on Sunday to be the first to open the doors. He would stand at the gate welcoming God's sheep. He would attend to the needs of his congregation personally. I have never met him yet I heard so much about him. One day, my friend told me that he had died in a road accident.
Although he's left this world, he's always remembered by my family, my friends and me as the one pastor that left a legacy for all to cherish.
Pastor Prince, pastors of CC, and BOD - I pray that you will remember the day of your calling into ministry. Do not forsake the purpose of your calling. Be wise in stewardship.
During this year's AGM HJK mentioned that if need arises when the church does not have sufficient funds for the building of CCC, then they may have to consider selling the DH church and lease it back.
Wonder how many of you who attended AGM heard and remembered that???
Since then a group of us have petitioned to the Lord to preserve our present DH church. Praise God for the turn of events which is the Lord's way of PRESERVING OUR DH CHURCH FOR US.
Does not HJK or other deacons acknowledge that DH church is on prime land and the only church in whole of Damansara Heights? To sell it and to lease back is absurd because if anyone wants to buy it may have other plans other than to lease to us perpectually?
If PG has his way, he will bankrupt all of us to pursue his own vision!!!
Member
Robert Lim was the senior pastor of Evangel Family Church for 27 years. His wife Marion Lim became the senior pastor in 1994 when Robert embarked on a mission to build churches in the Philippines.
In 2007, she got a call to prepare Evangel to be led by a 2nd generation pastorate. Their son Dale Lim who had been in pastoral and administrative for 13 years, assumed the senior pastorship in 2009.
Is the CEO grooming his junior to take over the senior pastorship? Is junior now designated as the "Administrative Executive" and had the heavy responsibility when he signed the contract of CC and Nam Fatt. It is not a surprise that the CEO being a master manipulator is working towards this end. All must be careful that such an event does not take place!!!
CCC started off with a lie - PG claimed he went passed the land and knew immediately this was the land for CCC. The truth is land was found by an agent from CC and showed to him. PG trying to say God showed him the land. Not true, he LIED.
At first construction cost estimate at only 50 million, then 80 then 150. Finally 150 but with cheaper material and just shell and core. Cost keep going up and up. Even RM150 million never approved by members. So far lots of lies and manipulation of facts and figures. Project will end up a lie. No truth, transparency or accountability. Members led by nose. Only God can salvage it for His glory.
The G dynasty will continue if members continue to blindly follow the leader whose anointing has already been withdrawn. All the plans initiated and executed by PG and BOD are human in nature...that is why it is headed for disaster.
With God's blessings there is no pain and sorrow but look at all the pain and sorrow that the CCC project is causing to CC leadership.
Remember that PG2 shared over the pulpit that it is her desire that for generations to come her descendants will serve the Lord? What better platform for the next generation(s) to operate in than in CC and CCC when it is completed? It is frigthening to hear this and it will happen if members continue to be blind followers of PG and PG2.
Won't the worldliness and coveteousness continue to perpetuate? We know that children follow the example and ways of their parents. It is already reflected in the lifestyle and attitudes of the younger Gs.
We pray that present members will be wise and evaluate what kind of future leaders do we want to raise in CC and what legacy do we want to leave for the next generation of CC members.
Let us not be blindly following and think that PG and PG2 can continue to lead CC and CCC on and on...and do as they so desire.
We pray that we will be watchful and alert to ask God for wisdom and stand up for what is right to be done in CC and be prepared for something new to happen ... a mighty shakeup and a fresh anointing to come.
Let us not be too complacent and refuse to see what God wants to do.. to shake up His people for a new awakening!
Ampang Calvarite, thanks for your sharing about the Malaysian pastor. This is what I call dying to self for Christ and living the true calling of God to ministry.
I don't expect all the pastors in Calvary Church to follow the footsteps of this late pastor in his 'simple' lifestyle. But, for the CC pastors to live in an exorbitant lifestyle of the rich & famous... while most of the congregation have to sacrifice their hard-earned money to finance them and CCC... That's outrageous!
The BOD and the church pastors have once again lied to us. They knew that work had stopped in CCC since April '09 but yet they showed videos of the so called 'progress' in CCC even after April '09. Wasn't that a BIG FAT LIE???
With so many lies and cover-ups being revealed one after the other, I'm more convinced that the CCC is NOT God's plan but the plan of one individual.
20 YEARS ON AND STILL NO 5,000 SEATING CHURCH IN SIGHT?
It all started in the late 80's --from Sri Hartamas to the purchasing of the Bungalow by bungalow to secure the "U" area so that CNCB ( Calvary New Church Building) could be built, and to the present CCC 'Vision"--
All three occasions PG claimed God had "impressed upon his heart" and BOD echoed "Confirmation". YET, none has come to passed!
20 years ago, PG was already boasting of a 5,000 seating church. Does this make sense--now 20 years later, his target still remains a 5,000 congregation?
2009 (oops, it's now 2011) shouldn't that be
20,000 or 50,000 capacity--what with the influx of
urban migration and immigrants too.
This would also mean even PG's CCC grand Auditorium is grossly under capacity?
Everything about PG's vision is fuzzy, but
What is very clear : PG is obsessed with his personal ambition, and covets for personal glory in the
world. And CCC will not come to pass.
This scandal should evoke righteous anger in ALL Calvarites who have not benefited from PG's crafty schemes.
Calvarites need to wake up to the sad reality that PG has little intention to feed his flock but making every effort to build his own empire for years.
Even if they (PG & his gang) decide to repent (whether to save face only or sincerely), please make sure that the new leadership does not include any of his family members who lack humility to serve. When I go to church, I go to the house of God but they act like it's their backyard.
Many are being told not to touch "God's anointed". I was even told that PG and his family are entitled to luxurious living because of the sacrifices he made during his early days. Does that mean he is also entitled to lying through his teeth for years?
If you ask me, he took more than his shares because he felt that God should give him more and I'm sure the devil was happy to help him with the planning. In fact, these people want to so-called "serve" God on their own terms.
Calvary Today - keep up the good work! Your well written articles are very impressive, by the way.
A responsible leader would have resigned or offered to resign for such a big mistake in the CCC project.
The big mistake is appointing a freemason architect and a financially-troubled contractor. To be wrong on just one count is bad enough; to be wrong on two counts is inexcusable. Surely, this cannot be from God.
Prince, as CEO of the church, and Jim, as the Chief Executive in charge of CCC, ought to take full responsibility for these grave mistakes.
The only right and honourable thing for them to do is to resign or least offer to resign for such failure which causes loss of millions to the church.
If they can't be honourable to resign, they can be deemed self-serving. Then, they ought to be sacked as a lesson to other leaders.
The deacons have the moral, ethical and spiritual duty to take action on both Prince and Jim.
Should the deacons fail in their duties, members then make a requisition to convene an EGM to pass a vote of no-confidence on the entire Board of Deacons.
Remember that there is no place for bad and irresponsible leaders in leading the church. God wants excellent, high calibre and competent leaders. When a leader does not measure up to this calling, he needs to be humble and understanding to move on to do other functions suitable to his calling.
On this score, both Prince and Jim fail badly and have caused Calvary Church a bad testimony. For the sake of Christ, they must go!
CHOICES.
It’s puzzling where and how PG and his family believed they are entitled to
luxurious living because of the “sacrifices” he made during his early days starting
out as a pastor.
Obviously, they missed the meaning of True Calling. If it is entitlement rather than
Living by true Faith in Christ & for the Mission of Christ, then they have heard the Calling,
wrong. There is a CLEAR SEPARATION of those truly called to be Servants of God, by God.
Also, there are misguided Christians who argue that “pastors are human too, so they
there is nothing wrong that they enjoy the pleasures of what the world has to offer”
Think about it, when someone becomes a ‘Nun’, it is clear she declares she wants
a life not of the world, but a life completely dedicated & devoted to the Will and Purpose
of God. The things and the ways of the World has no hold on them.
True Servants of God live simply,(example of Christ: why did HE ride on a donkey
and not a chariot?, why was He born in a lowly manger--not in style & comfort of 5 Star hotel?)
They live by Absolute faith (not on Credit Cards with RM100,000… credit limits/Fat Bank account)
Their providence is the promised ‘Daily Bread’ from our Faithful Abba in Heaven. Their concerns
are the souls of the unsaved, not materialistic pursuits.
There is a CLEAR DISTINCTION between Wants and Needs; Contentment and sufficiency in God and that driven by the flesh—pleasures, status and power.
Dear author, you asked
"A RM100 million mistake...... Has the BOD practiced due diligence with our money and questioned how and why this RM100 million mistake was committed."
When we 1st set eyes on the project and they announced that it only cost RM50 million, we already questioned, how can so cheap to build such a massive building with this design. We actually believed that it was a "half buy half free" chinese saying arrangement since this was a "church" building, that's why members did not protest that time.
SP & committee knew that the building actually cost more than RM50M but they cleverly and slyly started off with a small figure for such a beautiful building so that if we don't accept, we will be fools. Another one of those "feel good" thing you talk about. (BTW have you noticed, most of the original committee for ccc resigned already)
Once we said yes, we are stuck with it and they come out with the huge sums, gulp by gulp they are swollowing us whole. You know members have taken out their children education savings to fund this building?
So many worshippers sacrifice their savings for CCC.
So, it's Prince, Jim and Pam turn to sell off all their houses which worth millions.
The KEY word---Operasi Witch-hunting is starting again, many different ones are being called by leaders lately from the church, checking on where are they worshipping.. and they will ask questions such as how come never see you in the church and etc. they even ask the little kids, where are you on Sunday? which church did you go? So, is it a tell tale sign that some kinds of EGM or AGM is coming up soon? Lets pray, our Lord reigns.
With Main Contractor defaulting, there can be big mess.
Can more people highlight what the problems can be!!
Church worshippers gave. Public also gave. What can they do to hold the church accountable and Pastors responsible for these mess?
It's sound like scandal-hit Port Klang Free Zone issue!
Hey KC Lim, Wong Hon Meng,
You all so smart why dont you become a pastor ah? Run your own church la. I sure will join you wan.
Those(particularly the BOD and PG's followers) who gave reasons for the lavish lifestyle of PG and family, know deep in their hearts it is wrong. They know it is contrary to Biblical teachings but they will pick verses here and there to justify their views.
They just want to overlook the fleshly behaviour and give face to the G family probably because of long ties or hero worshipping.
They give all the justifications for themselves to persist in ignoring the wrongs and instead throw the blame on concerned members.
They say don't be fearful "Let God be God" but don't they know that God is patient with the wrong doers but in due time God will act? Aren't they testing God here?
God is a God of holiness and righteousness and when His shepherds are negligent, proud and abusive will God just ignore the cries of His sheep?
How long do they expect God to wait for them to ask for forgiveness, to truly repent and make restitution?
"I am of the opinion that leaders should not hold on to their positions for too long as they would become KOLOT (out-of-date).
Before people say when is this old man going to go, you should go. Then people will remember you. If you wait for people to kick you out then people will say nasty things about you." said Former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, The Star, Pg N10, Today.
Hello Irritated at 8.33 am, 271009
Be a pastor is not like secular job that u can just apply and do it when u feel like doing, drop it when u are bore/fed-up. Pastor is God's ordained. Remeber the 5 folds ministry? No everyone is called to be pastor. So stop getting irritated with KC or HM. They are not called to be pastors. I can imagine if they are called to be pastors, they would have bring down heaven on earth. I bet I will be happily worshipping in CC and not find myself worshipping somewhere else. Get it!
Hello Irritated, October 27, 2009 8:33 AM,
God got higher calling for them than be a pastor. Of course you want them to start their own church. Then you...oops PG can continue to "rule" in CC.
Thank God they are not pastors and because they are not pastors, they understand what Truth, Transparency and Good Godly Governance is.
BTW, this only applies to the pastors in CC. I personally know of many pastors who pratice TTG in their church and on fire for God's work.
Wow..is that a prophecy? Dear Irritated. Well, Both HM and KC are truly God fearing man. At the agms/egms I had seen them spoke and present their views, they had done a great job and they had in fact trying to help the church, but unfortunately, the Chairman and members dont seemed to realize.
I hope you will wake up from the slumber soon...
MOSES, A GOD TO PHARAOH! GOD IS NOT MOCKED!
My wife and I fully support what KC, HM and others in the TTG (Calvary Today) are doing for the Kingdom of God. They are intercessors as defined by Rees Howells.
They are the man/woman of God who have discerned the will of God and are God's strategist - out working the will of the Lord as it is written in Heaven. Like Paul's letters to the various churches, this Blog is a modern version of letters to the congregation of Calvary Church now scattered but soon to return in due season.
The warning is very clear, unless the current leadership leaves peacefully, the Lord will forcefully by divine intervention remove them. (We are still not sure how as our faith is not perfect yet on this matter - but have entered the rest of faith). This is our intercession and we expect this to come to pass! This is the application of intercession as taught by Rees Howells and other great intercessors in the Bible.
Check your Bible.
Exodus 7:1 says, "And the LORD said unto Moses, 'See I have made thee a god (note: not 'God' but 'god') to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." Notice that this verse legitimizes Moses' power and authority.
As commentator Matthew Henry explains:
"He (Moses) was authorized to speak and act in God's name and stead, and, under the divine direction, was endued with a divine power to do that which is above the ordinary power of nature, and invested with a divine authority to demand obedience from a sovereign prince and punish disobedience. Moses was a god by commission.
Moses is an agent of God, but only by divine ruling. Moses is declared by the LORD that he will act as a god to Pharaoh.
Another verse reiterates Moses' and Aaron's positions of authority. Exodus 4:16 says, 'And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.'
Just as Moses had been commissioned by the Lord to deliver Israel from Pharaoh, I believe, the Lord has commissioned some in Calvary Church to be "Moses" and "Aarons" to stand against the "Pharaoh and his generals" and if they don't heed the warnings will all be drowned in the "Red Sea"!
Lastly, the Bible also warns us about what happened to those who tried to mock God's "Moses" and "Aarons"! You have been warned!
Vijay
There are many needy people in Malaysia. They are so near to us just like the beggar Lazarus lives at the gate of the rich man in Luke 16:20. They are around us, near us and even among us. Many are Christians whom neglected by the church. Some driven by poverty, takes on several jobs and died in car accident as they drive in fatigue. Others accumulate diseases in their hard labor and died when they could not cope with the increasing medical expenses. Still some died as victim of crime in this lawlessness world. There are also many who are victim of the system in this world – discrimination, racism, terrorist, corruption and injustice. Some lost great wealth in this racism land, and subsequently their health. Others are left to die as their only source of income is jeopardized. The only son is bullied, harmed and pass away, leaving the retired parent who have no dependant and waiting for their turn. When I walked in pasar malam, I saw many Lazarus not just lying on the floor but also selling at the store. There are increasingly young people selling at pasar malam than in the past. In the land where King Racism reign, such is their “fate”. Many of them are Christians but their hard labor in terrible job has jeopardize their spiritual walk. Some of them suppose to be future pastors but in the trend where church merely focus on owning properties to boost their pastor image, the Kingdom of God is often neglected. Several years ago, the bank pulled my brother’s car away. It is gone now. This year, the bank tried to pull away my sister-in-law’s car as well. She called my mother in the phone crying and wanting to divorce my brother. My mother called me concerning this matter, crying too. When i write this i am in tears. We suffer much. We are not the only Christian family suffer. Many before us has suffer while some even perished. Some turned into paganism while others converted to Muslims. Chinese Muslims nowadays are increasing in number in this land while the church’s vision has been perverted. Some Christians pushed by severe poverty, married unbelievers in the hope of better life. Others married unbelievers due to the social problem Christian community face today, issue that the blind CLM has no concern. Some believers pressured in poverty has steal to survive. When they are caught, the world show no mercy on them. Thus, we allow our brothers and sisters destroyed right before our eyes. Others who retired has insufficient resources of EPF to live on. In the trend where the church concern on mere reputation, investing in worldly title and useless property, these “widows” will eventually left to perish before our eyes. We see the defeat of the Body of Christ in every corners of this land. Some wounded, others fell, still many perished. Those who fell, never rise again in their spiritual walk, while those who perished were quickly forgotten like rubbish swiped under the chair in this land where injustice is accepted. If injustice is not an issue to the just God, what else? We, Christian do not believe in Darwin’s theory, but Darwin theory is what we see in every corner of this land where the meek perished while the cunning opportunist flourish, injustice prevail while the godly fell, evil multiply while truth compromised. We see devil win in many battles in Malaysia, while churches merely claim artificial victory that bring no changes in situation nor advance the kingdom. The enemy is attacking the sheep. The Body of Christ in Malaysia is being attacked and crippled by the enemy. Watchmen, sound the alarm!! Where is the shepherds God has called? Where is the church?
Why is God’s people suffer as such? Is there no balm in the land? The needy are not helped not because the church has no money, but today church prioritize on making into celebrity, rather genuine charity. In the trend where church focus on image rather than integrity, appearance rather than substance, God’s people are neglected. Last 2 week, Ps James Davis mentioned about the increasing number of churches worldwide. I do not know how many churches there or even here in Malaysia. But it is not the number of churches that makes the different. If it is, then each of us should start a church. No. It is the function and role of church that makes the different. What good is a church that merely concern about owning properties? Is that not what the world is chasing after too?
It is fact that there are more churches today than the past. But I heard news from friends that many churches shifted to PJ and other popular area, competing with each others on which church sing the loudest, dance the highest and in all kind of publicity race, each eagerly fight for its portion of “segment market” in these popular area.
Nowadays, church leaders concern more on survival and publicity of their career, without sacrificial shepherd character. Weeks ago, we heard associate pastor talked about dress code in church but completely silent at the more critical issues even in this moment. That is how narrow is today’s church leader’s vision is, a mere appearance orientated. Why we are asked to smile? How can we smile? If we are persecuted because of faithful to Jesus, we can smile. But if the church leaders are as corrupted as the politicians in the world, how can we smile? Shouldn’t we mourn and pray? Nowadays, leaders have been imprisoned within the 4 wall of church in comfortable lifestyle that they are no longer relevant. Dress is just a preferences or cultural issue which is often not a problem to God. In the past, women has to cover their head to prophesy, but not today. There are many more serious issues which is sin itself – racism, injustice, corruption, crimes, deception and love of money. These, the church has neglect to address and even completely ignore. They are now mere church event orientated – bitesize, carnival, prejudice in church membership selection, “Leap in Faith” and all kind of fancy words. Even “Faith Promise” is now filtered to fund CCC.
The body of Christ suffer severe attack and one by one its member fell, as the church leaders concern merely on lavish façade, expensive cornices, fancy dome, and prestige hall, investing on pastor’s fame, international reputation, and luxury lifestyle. Yet, we still see many support the greed endeavor of PG. I am so regret giving to CCC. I felt I had just feed a parasite in the Body of Christ, and this worm is growing in its appetite. Oh Lord have mercy. Friends, please stop supporting the Tan Sri Gluttony. Channel your giving and effort rather to real needs. I know God is for those needy brothers and sisters who suffer poverty, but the vessel to channel such blessings to them are absence and occupied by the idol property, so much so that the body of Christ in Malaysia remain crippled and handicapped. No real issues addressed, not racism, neither injustice. Only artificial victory of advertisement is seen. There seem to be a wave of attack that mammonizes church leaders and mummifies church members so much so that leaders focus on mere survival and publicity of their career, while Christians one by one ended up in spiritual tombs and coffins. Friends, put on the belt of truth. Bring awareness among the body of Christ concerning the situation we face, please. It is a global serious issue. The ambassador of Mammon has spread its sting, influencing other pastors in AOG as well.
So for those of you who will be going to the coming carnival and even announce your proactive support through Facebook, i hope you read this and think as a Christian. Are you supporting the right thing? Is CCC make any different to the body of Christ even if it is completely built? It is both godly wisdom and compassion not to support PG. I believe when PG step down, hope will dawn in CC. Our brothers and sisters will come back and there will be a revival in CC, if not nationwide. You see, the spirit of Mammon must goes away. I looked forward for that day.
To : All Calvarites Diaspora
1. You are members of Calvary Church
2. The Lord sees it fit for you to visit the saints in other localities.
3. Have the conviction if you are led by the Holy Spirit.
4. No true church assemblies can say they don't receive you. Because all churches are part of the BIG CHURCH.
5. If Calvary Church leaders terminate your membership for visiting the saints elsewhere, they commit a terrible wrong against you.
6. If it happens, don't keep quiet.
7. Join together and tell others publicly..through blogs, press conference, placards, banners.. (Please don't let church leaders who are bullies to survive in church of our Lord Jesus Christ)
FACTS Can't Lie
In the face of INDISPUTABLE facts, PG & BOD stands on quick sand.
They are already stuck in it--it's just a matter of days, hours, minutes,seconds they will sink and be buried under their own pile of lies.
The END is of their own doing & choosing!
GiGi, the pain and helplessness you feel is shared by many. But with my own eyes, I've seen God's power of forgiveness and restoration. Jesus really cares, even if He works in ways we cannot understand. One thing I can say for sure, He gives us strength for each day no matter how bleak the situation looks.
And I know He comfort those who are hurting, I was one of them. I used to have very little faith but through hardships now I know that my GOd is real (so is the devil).
PG may think that he's so wise to have hoarded so much $$ to support their present and future luxurious living (I've no doubt they've properties overseas). But the devil's ultimate goal for all those who go to him (for whatever)is destruction.
Let's stay strong in our Lord.
Dear GiGi,
I read this devotion today and thot of you. I too was going thru a difficult time like you and sometimes cannot understand what God is doing in my life. You shd visit other churches once awhile and let the Spirit of God fill you with His love. Let the prayers of other pastors cover you and the love of other Christian brothers and sisters cover you.
From:devotions@davidwilkersonglobal.org
Subject: BE STEADFAST AND UNMOVABLE
We have learned from Isaiah 49 that the Lord knows your battle. He has fought it before you. And it is no sin to endure thoughts that your labor has been in vain, or to be cast down with a sense of failure over shattered expectations. Jesus himself experienced this and was without sin.
It is very dangerous, however, to allow these hellish lies to fester and enflame your soul. Jesus showed us the way out of such despondency with this statement: “I have labored in vain…yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God” (Isaiah 49:4, italics mine). The Hebrew word for judgment here is “verdict,” Christ is saying, in effect, “The final verdict is with my Father. He alone passes judgment on all that I’ve done and how effective I’ve been.”
God is urging us through this verse: “Stop passing a verdict over your work for me. You have no business judging how effective you’ve been. And you have no right to call yourself a failure. You don’t yet know what kind of influence you’ve had. You simply don’t have the vision to know the blessings that are coming to you.” Indeed, we won’t know many such things until we stand before him in eternity.
In Isaiah 49, Jesus heard the Father say in so many words: “So, Israel is not yet gathered. Yes, I called you to bring in the tribes, and that has not happened in the way you imagined it. But that calling was only a little thing compared to what is coming for you. It’s nothing in comparison to what I have in store. I’m going to make you now a light for the whole world. You’re going to bring salvation to the whole earth” (see Isaiah 49:5-6).
While the devil is lying to you, saying that all you’ve done is in vain, that you’ll never see your expectations fulfilled, God in his glory is preparing a greater blessing. He has better things in store, beyond anything you could think or ask.
We’re not to listen to the enemy’s lies any longer. Instead, we’re to rest in the Holy Spirit, believing him to fulfill the work of making us more like Christ. And we are to rise up from our despair and stand on this word: “Be ye stedfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord” (1 Corinthians 15:58).
Years ago, when studying overseas I saw gut wrenching, sickening live telecast of the mass suicide committed by American Christian men, women and children grossly misled by a false prophet named Rev. Jim Jones. Oh yes, he also claimed to be a God fearing Christian leader too! He also brainwashed his followers into obeying all his commands (misinterpreted as Godly directions). Rev. Jim Jones was so charismatic in his leadership that he managed to convince even loving parents to give their own children cynide laced Kool Aid drinks - so that they too can join Jim Jones into a better world, with a brighter future ! When outside aid finally arrived at the self contained community in Central Aamerica, bodies of misled believers were strewn all over the camp site. The poor congregation members too were mesmerised by numerous promises from a socalled visionled spiritual leader. Do we true Calvarites want this tragedy to strike us, misled by a false prophet ? Can we stop this curse in time ? Do we suffer silently, allowing the mass harakiri of CC over CCC and other failures? God please help us !
The time has come for the righteous Calvarites to voice their dissatisfaction over the repeated failures of the present leadership of SP and BOD, misleading us with wrong and misrepresented information about CCC, Calvaryland, CIM and other major issues.
Can TTG please organise a prayer chain of believers to hold candle mass payers outside SP and the G family homes ? This would be a strong sign of passive resistance and a symbol of our fight for truth and justice to prevail. it should shame the occupants till they listen to the masses, with God's help. I am committed to sign up and take part.
read jerimiah 7:31 8&9
Time and again, our self glorified leader has harped on sacrificial giving to the CC congregation during Sunday service. No speaker (including you know who) at the CC pulpit ever missed the golden opportunity to drum (read brainwash) into the CC congregation about giving, giving, giving (to the power of billions, somewhat endlessly)! And we shall be greatly blesssed... Apparently, not a single sermon failed to highlight the ever important "Vitamin M factor". (They said religion is the best business, so much money involved, freely rolling, rolling, rolling in till infinity.) After all, CC is a "rich people's church". In fact, they specialised in tugging the heartstrings of congregation members with testimonials of sacrificial giving. True or manufactured stories, we leave it to you to find out.
But...
We all are very well versed about the adage, "Action speaks louder than words." So when is the self glorified leader putting an advert to sell off his gleaming sleek speedster Volvo XC series - as part of his personal sacrificial giving to the CCC Building Fund ?
Does he need such an expensive car to chruch ? Sell it and give RM to the poor and needy like principal N F of CCC fame !
While he is at it, why not also sell their various G family's Bangsar bungalows and donate to CCC Building Fund ? Even Tun Dr Mahathir, our former PM can quote, "Leadership by example". So what example are the G family members portraying and projecting imagewise ? Rumor has it that they allegedly don't even pay tithes (depite their 7 or 8 figures pays (?)! With that sort of pay packets, they most probably screamed "ouch" each time to put in the tithes envelopes ! ... Which had been preached so much. No Action, Talk Only, right ? Talk is cheap.
Where is CCC Progress Is A Liar?
Why so quiet? Now you can see who is a liar? Can you tell how much progress from May or June 2009 till now since you stay nearby CCC?
We beg to differ from the personal unsubstantiated opinion of Irritated, who only apparently knows how to indulge in character assasination of our 2 beloved Christian brothers KC Lim and Wong Hong Meng - righteous men who are daring enough to fight for the truth over CC issues that concern us the members, brave enough to expose apparent falsehood, lies, half truths, vague ambiguous language and deceitful behaviour, unashamedly spewed and circulated by at the pulpit and outside CC.
We can only conclude that your implication from your choice of woerds is that Brothers KC Lim and Wong Hong Meng should leave CC, to be pastors of their own church.
Our question back to ypou, Irritated - Why should they ? They have not done anything wrong ! In fact, they should be supported by us, with thanks and appreciation.
Our above statement is backed by the ever increasing feedback and responses from we bloggers supporting TTG ! What about your facts and figures ?
Not to mention the ever shrinking congregation size in CC nowadays. The migration to other churches is alarming but not surprising.
Irritated, please do not be illogical and nonsensical in your communication with others. It shows your apparent shallowness and gross lack of logic in your thinking. Be real, live in the real world, Irritated.
We still love you whoever you are.
Can anyone brief me on this?
If i am not wrong, when first the CCC was proposed by SP, the members were infomred only RM50 Million needed to built the CCC right?
I was really shocked how come the construction cost can JACK UP so much from RM50 Million to RM150 Million?
As far as i am concerned in any construction, there will be "Contigency Fund" of only 5%.
To Anonymous 4:03pm,
You are absolutely right. Started with RM50m. No question about that.
How did it get to RM150m? That's what members have been asking silently for many years and many have left quietly to other church because of NO ANSWER.
Since CT started members have been asking each other over here. Still no one really got the real answer.
Only SP & HJK knows the real answer but they cannot and will not tell the truth. So How?
Stop giving and tell as many people, especially the outsiders not to give anymore to the building UNTIL THEY TELL US THE TRUTH.
When CCC first started, it was RM50m. Then it kept skyrocketing upwards to RM80m, RM150m and maybe now RM180m. How can the costs keep skyrocketing? The Church leaders have not provided any detailed information on the escalation. They only gave one a glimpse of information. The leaders have always practiced secrecy all these years - it is "you will get to know only what I want you to know" and nothing else. Or rather I do not want you to know. And Calvarites were unknowingly led over the cliff(metaphorically speaking). PG just had to open his mouth and passive Calvarites just give and give. But hopefully this has changed with so much revelations surfacing.
PG and BOD will think of ways to raise funds, some may be skimming the surface of being unethical.
PG may even call an EGM to appeal to members to chip in for the short-fall with a veiled threat like "if we cannot get the money, CC may collapse" or "the Church has the money but it is in your pockets".
Then again, PG and BOD may put CC, Damansara Heights up for sale.
Concerned Calvarites on both sides of the divide must not this happen.
CC, Damansara Heights was built in 1968 with much sacrifices and efforts by the pioneers. Many are still around and a few may had gone to be with the Lord. CC is an icon in the Christian circle and many brothers/sisters in other denominations knows CC as being a dynamic church and "rich"(but sadly, it is no longer such today).
CC, Damansara Heights DOES NOT belong to PG or BOD. It was built by its members and until today it is supported spiritually and financially by the members and worshippers.
CC is built on what is prime land today. With its surrounding CC- owned bungalows, it is very attractive to investors to re-develop the property.
The buyer will, of course, has his plans to re-develop the site. Hence it will be difficult to sign an agreement with the buyer to lease it back to CC with a long term, 3 years, 5 years, 10 years or 15 years. Once the property is sold, it is his prerogative on what he wants to.
Most people know it is extremely difficult or near impossible to get approval from the authorities to either build or start a church in a low density residential area. May be in an industrial area or in the suburbs, even then you cannot use the word church. Just like CCC - a convention centre or Pusat Aktiviti Calvary. Hope PG will not spell centre like the Americans do as "center" as he is so americanised.
So, concerned Calvarites on both sides of the divide, always remember and act with discernment and caution on any proposals put forward by PG and BOD that if CC, Damansara Heights is lost, it will be lost forever!!! Do not let PG and BOD bulldoze their way with respect to CC, Damansara Height!
If sell, then sell CCC. DO NOT save the necks of PG and BOD and lose CC, Damansara Heights. After all, PG and BOD is adamant and arrogant in their handling of the new church building from the beginning. When the architect said that CCC will stand out on the world map, the architect meant that he will be recorded in the annals of history perpetually as a great architect (turned out that he is a member of freemasonry which is a society with secrets and not accepted by many Christian denominatons) and of course, PG was elated then as he will share the honours with the architect as the founder of CCC.
Please, please do not lose Calvary Church, Damansara Heights.
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