It is strange that nowadays, even a believer could not freely give a testimony in church. I could not speak or read this testimony openly in church at the watch night service due to fear of persecution from the leaders and their hardcore supporters in Calvary Church, but I believe God is worthy of all praises, and I want to take this opportunity to share my testimony here and give Him all the glory He deserved. I don’t mind if anyone of you courageous enough to read it in the church. But bear in mind that they who threaten to hurt those concern members after the publish of the articles in the Star, may persecute you right at the spot. The persecution we face within the church today is real.
My testimony begin like this:
Somewhere middle of last year, I felt so upset with the pastors and the leaders of the church. Such frustration is accumulated over many disappointments over several years on what I saw in the church leadership and their hardcore supporters. Their actions, teachings and behavior really tell me that they do not really follow Jesus. I saw all these in their fruit and I was upset to know nothing have been done to address such.
I wonder to myself, “How can such obvious contradiction against God’s Word and His Spirit can be tolerated and even justified in the house of God?” But it seem at that time, every one simply follow along the trend of the church culture, without much check on the Scriptures or even consult the Lord on their direction. I kept the matter to myself, thinking I alone can do nothing about this, and I might as well shut up. But I could not ignore it. Such matter kept arising to my mind. In every church services I attend, every time I pray, and as I study God’s Word, the matter arise in my mind, as though as it matter to the Lord. But as I am upset and confused at why the church succeed in doing wrong, I argue with the Lord, saying, “But You don’t care, else why they who go wrong can still be successful in their wrong ways?” Sometime I argue, “What can I do, when Lord, You let it happen, and yet does nothing for them to repent?”
It was some where in the middle of last year, that I wept in prayer in my car every time I went home from church. I remember one Sunday afternoon, as I wept in my car, while still inside Avenue building, I begin to ask the Lord to intervene. I asked, “Lord, send people to speak to the pastors. Lord, send at least 50 people to tell the pastors that they are wrong and need to repent, as a sign to me that You intervened; and that’s enough for me to believe You care”.
After that Sunday, I did not attend Calvary Church for a year. When I discover the blog Calvary Today several months ago and found out that they are about 50 of them who started it, I was over joy. You see, I am not a register member of the church, and therefore do not attend any General Meeting on church issues (I refuse to be one because of the prejudice scheme of member selection that I saw, and how possessed are some members by the institution spirit and pastor adoration) Due to such, I was isolated and I do not know that God Himself actually already raise up several people to speak His Words or warning to the pastors, and the number of these people is arising.
When I first found the blog several months ago, I felt my burden lifted. I still do not know who they are, but I felt the Lord has intervened through them and has listen to my cry when I was in my car in Avenue building last year. Now I knew how foolish I was, when I complain to the Lord that He does not care; when actually He does and has indeed already prepare the answer through TT&G before my prayer. While I was not a registered member and may not able to do anything about the present situation, I felt that the Lord want me to stand with Him, grow in the ability in distinguishing right from wrong, good from evil (Heb 5:14), for to Him, such attribute in us is much more important than merely getting rich or enjoying luxury life as seen in some church leaders today.
I want to encourage you who have the same concern with me, who may be confused at the contradiction seen between God’s Word and church practices, to take heart for the Lord is the same yesterday, today and forever. The Lord who commanded us not to greed for money and fame, has not changed. His character, virtue, and stature mentioned in His Words remains true. What is right remains right, and what is wrong remains wrong, no matter who tried to preach to sway it or even prophesy to divert it. God want us to think wholesomely (2 Peter 3:1) and that His standard has not changed.
Do not be confused or led astray by all kind of sermons, false prophesy or cunning strategies, but rather stay focus on His Words that penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; and judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart (Heb 4:12). Be discerned and be concern. What you have learned in your walk with the Lord is not superseded. They cannot be superseded. His Word remain true. For the virtue that God has molded into you, the Godly character He built in you through His Spirit and His Word, is a progress of your spiritual growth. It is not to be demolished nor superseded. It matter to the Lord and He will not let people lead you astray.
While the church over-occupied by CCC, God never divert His focus from His people. We are the people of the Lord; we are the apple of His eyes. In this end time, He builds us, His church, not any death structures.
I want to thank the Lord for answering my prayer through CalvaryToday and all those concern members who support TT&G. Through them, God has told me that He cares and listen to the cry of His people. It is easy to build CCC in this fallen world, where with enough money, influence, dirty scheme and deception, evil can prevail; but it takes God’s miracle and a lot of faith in God to speak the courageous words of the season and return truth back to the church today. Thank God for those who dare to speak for truth.
We are the concern members and He is the concern God, not an ignorant one. He cares!!! While leaders merely concern on not abandon CCC, our Lord’s concern is on His people and their spiritual health. Goodness is not when one chase after luxury while ignore the rest. Goodness is when we see the Lord intervene as a response to our prayers. The Lord is good in year 2009 and He will always be.
“Thank you Lord for answering my prayer. May the will of the Lord for His church be accomplished, and His truth set His church free. All glory to the Lord. Amen!!”
Thankfully submitted by Lee.
19 comments:
What Calvary church is going through is WAR not only in the carnal sense but spiritual as well. As a soldier for our Lord, one must remember you are armed, ready and fearless to do battle. Why do Christians still think and speak with meekness the wrong that has been done in your Calvary Church. Why are you so fearful of persecution by those from the senior pastor group? They are just mere men and nothing more. Do you honestly think that if they use their full financial muscle to settle this fiasco they will not be met with an even bigger and more powerful financial muscle from the other group .Don’t you think God will support the group that is for Him? So let’s put off this lack of strength and start speaking with power and victory.
Continue to pray BUT you must also cat and do what is necessary to bring a stop to this barbaric devouring of God’s Church by sinful men and women of Calvary Church.
Regular worshiper for 25 years...
The Leading Role of Calvary church has been removed from the church leadership by the LORD of Hosts and given & bestowed upon another Prophecy Church that FEAR The LORD! CCC will be allowed to fail as it did not find favors from The LORD. There will be many lean years for the CLEANSING of the HOUSE of The LORD!
God is Good!
The testimony of LEE, brings out, what I believe, is many more such hurting hearts of members who felt so 'oppressed' under the draconian ways of PG's pastorship (?),no, no, it is actually 'Rulership'.
I praise & thank God, for the marvelous ways He raised-up different ones in this TTG Cause, to show anyone who doubts the intention of these God-fearing members who exposed all unrighteous acts of PG, BOD & Assoc Pas, that He is with them!
Let's all take heart that God is Certainly at Work to bring everything hidden into the open, and PG can never hide, no matter how hard he tries with his deceptive ways. Remember God is Sovereign, and He does it best in His time to WIPE-OUT the unrighteous leadership in CC.
Let's then persevere to the end. He is with us every step of the way in this TTG Cause.
The God of Hope is a God of Renewal and to those on both sides of the valley, it is time to hearken HIM and follow HIM so that HE may HEAL the Land, for the harvest is great but the workers are few.
HIS Time is Coming.
Soldier for Christ
Amen! Bro Michael. Well said. We must put off our "old self" of fear of man and put on the "new self" of confidence in our great God.
Yeah, it is true they have engaged the top notch, nation wide famous lawyer because he defended the most talk of and even got worldwide attention case in our country.
God don't need top notch people to accomplish His Will. He only uses obedient and faithful people to do His work.
David was only a shepherd boy, who was sent to the army camp to bring food for his big brothers BUT God used him and his simple tool of a sling and 5 stones to bring down Goliath.
God can also rope in many top notch lawyers, if He so desires, so what Bro Michael say is true. God can bring people more top notch to defend His Name, if He wants to. Our God is Great.
To Lee,
Indeed the Lord has spoken and shown His faithfulness to those who know His word and are called according to His purpose. We must remember the church in Sardis (Rev 3:1-6). Stay close to the Lord, obey and love Him with all your heart, mind and soul despite what is going on in CC leadership. Our minds should remain focused on God and our prayers for the hurting church.
Where are the TTG core members how come they are not commenting anymore? What happen to the blogs?
Good morning Everyone especially to Curious 101,
This is a time of celebration and remembering God's greatest gift to us - JESUS CHRIST His Only Son. Christians every where are doing some reflection and counting God' blessings one by one, and giving thanks to God for all the blessings He has poured out on each one. Many have also been busy attending Christmas Thanksgiving Dinners and gathering for a time of fellowship with one another.
This is also a time for holiday with family and friends. Many have gone outstation, some "balik kampung" and some have gone overseas for holiday or visiting friends and relatives.
This is also a time for shopping. The great Malaysian YES (year end sale) is still on. Most of the shopping complexes are packed with people shopping for Christmas gifts earlier and now to get good bargains.
This is also a time where parents with school going children are busy getting back-to-school things for their children to start school next week. Many others had been and some till busy packing their children off to college and universities.
This is also a busy time at the office. Year end closing to be completed, quotas to be met, deals to be confirmed, performance reviews to be done and bonuses to be paid.
These are activities that "people on the street" do daily and the TTG core members are not excluded. They are people just like you and I, who need to work to put food on the table and have families - parents, spouse, children and relatives to care for. We all have responsibilities to fulfill.
Now to your questions #1 on "how come they (TTG core) are not commenting anymore?" If you have followed the blog from the start, you would have noted that the TTG core members very seldom make comments. They are action oriented and pro-active people, in fact, actively working for the TTG cause, on top of having to work full time to feed their families.
Question #2, "what happen to the blogs?" We don't understand this question. Anyway, we are working on a new look so do not be surprised if you log in tomorrow and see a "new face".
God bless and have a BLESSED NEW YEAR. HAPPY 2010!
"The righteous cry,
and the LORD heareth,
and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart;
and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit."
Psalm 34:17-18
Curious 101
Hope this catch you in time-- would you be "courageous" enough to read LEE's testimony at the Watch Night Service at CC.?
However, if you won't,then it's still okay if you can print-out a copy for PG, PG2, all the BOD & Assoc Pastors and their supporters you know.
This be count as a blessing to the Congregation to know the TRUTH.
p/s Anyone doing PG's Bidding should print Lee's testimony out since they always said over the pulpit they welcome "concerns" to be brought to their attention!
Of MONEY, AGE & SERVICE in CC
'I wonder to myself, “How can such obvious contradiction against God’s Word and His Spirit can be tolerated and even justified in the house of God?” ' ( quoted from Lee's testimony)
Here is just one of the PG's kingdom CLASSIC examples:
A year ago, a member approached a Assoc Pastor and asked boldly: ' What does PG2's serving entail?'
Assoc Pas replied:
' She preaches.. at Sunday Service.. Tuesday Ladies
and counseling' .
Member exclaimed: Is that All?
Assoc Pas retorted:
' What you do expect her to do... at her age!' ( she is 60+yr, ) Do you expect her to go down on her knees to serve? '
Member answered:
YES, why not? What's wrong with that... roll-up her sleeves to work.. and dirty her hands.. so be it!'
When this was related to me, I said "BRAVO" to the Member.
Now, connect this to the issues of RETIREMENT age, SALARIES ( aka Stipends) and SERVICE ( aka Servanthood) and their very own ( PG /BOD/Ass. Pas) interpretation & definitions:
There is NO retirement age.. we are 'able' ( by this mean 'fit'? hence,the justification for the PRO sessions at the Gym).
Already did the 'pioneering' work (? big question mark, really)... you Johnnie come lately!
(Btw. from Year 1 in CC, already demanded to OWN a Bungalow in Bangsar, no less. While predecessors stayed in "house/rooms" partitioned from Church premise)
the Members serve--use your God given talents, money etc..( while we preach, direct &reap)
The sheep truly has been real fools in their eyes.
Come to think of it, how PG2 declared she only get to preach ONCE a year --during Mother's Day, and the Congregation actually chuckled!... while she & PG are probably laughing all the way to the Swiss bank with a 6 figure income annually over "30 years of faithful Service"--as declared in their Self promotion, Self-glory Commemorative publication.
Indeed, “How can such obvious contradiction against God’s Word and His Spirit can be tolerated and even justified in the house of God?”
The Bible clearly tells us: "GOD is Not Mocked'
and He has already begin to act as seen in the events unfolding before our eyes for all to know, and FEAR HIM.
Simple. Take this verse as a food for thought.
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you". Matthew 7:1-2
God Bless.
Blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year.
As I see it, this "do not judge" issue has been thoroughly thought of by TTG and supported by many articles published in Berita Calvary.
As I see it, there is a reply to this matter by Paul G on "Judging?" in Berita Calvary also. I think Dr Vijay also wrote on this subject.
As I see it, and I am not speaking for TTG members. The TTG have decided to stop judging that is why they are going to hand the judging business to the Judge in the Court.
As I see it, we should feed our mind now with CT's new year greetings.
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you."(Jeremiah 29 : 11 - 14)
to: Anonymous said...
Simple. Take this verse as a food for thought.
* "Do not judge..."
Do be informed this is a *view of SIMPLETONS --using Selective of Jesus Teachings, and distorting them.
The revelation by members of their 1st hand encounters of incidents and behaviour, attitudes of PGs, BOD, & assoc Pastors which happened in CC, certainly is eye-opener for the many docile members --including me (once upon a time).
As long as we, the individual himself/herself is rooted in the WORD, we shall not be stumbled by PG& Co. So, never buy into the excuses use by those who want truth to be buried to make themselves look good.
Let everyone not make the situation worse. It is time for reconciliation and rebuilding of the church.
You just don't get it, do you? It's Prince Guneratnam, the leader of the pack, who is refusing to reconcile by not repenting! Only God can deal with him; and He is already, using TTG. God will forgive him, and so must we. (Holy Spirit, help me!) But there are consequences: think King David for OT parallel or Haggart for a modern one.
ACCOUNTABILITY is Not an OPTION in leadership.
For too long.. in fact, the decades of their entire tenure, PG & BOD have never held themselves Accountable of any their actions and decisions to the MEMBERS in CC.
They ride rough-shot over the Congregation and run CC as if it is PG's Corporation Inc.
It's not for no purpose nor reason of God that they are now exposed of all their hidden deeds.
Our God believes in Accountability. Who then should think or believe PG & Co can escape it?
"BELIEVE IT OR NOT!"
--exclaimed the many who heard the announcement of Elders in disbelief. And who can blame them.
At last (or Alas!) "Elders" have been appointed in CC's in PG's tenure. BUT, it is clear why:
PG's most trusted Member in the previous BOD--Patrick Wong, who had failed to secure the votes to get into the New Board. i.e. REJECTED by the Voting Members at the AGM, now got in by the "back door"!
Patrick Wong was the one who said there was nothing wrong for PG to be CEO, SR & at the same time run CIM as its President. Positions he saw as "inter-changeable" including MONEY from CC to CIM--is" just like Paul to Peter, and perfectly legitimate" according to him.
What a Joke this is--Patrick Wong an Elder???
What shame, that he has the cheek to accept it!
( But to pG, he is very useful indeed, as PG's wish is his command. Besides, he knows PG's desires even before he opens his mouth. And best of all he is sworn to secrecy)
This appointment by PG, of course, is yet another 'master stroke' of the SLY ONE.
Still very much in his element--BEWARE.
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