Court Mediation fails
After agreeing to the Plaintiffs’ proposal for a Court Mediation, Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG) failed to turn up for the much anticipated face-to-face negotiations. Instead, he sent Pastor Steven and deacon David Peters to represent him.
The above information was obtained from one of the 60-odd class action plaintiffs who also informed CT that out of the 6 deacons collectively named as the 2nd Defendants, only Patrick Wong, Edward Rajasingam and Philip Tan showed up.
According to the source, the main 7 Plaintiffs went with only one simple proposal and that is the formation of an independent committee to review and revise the Church Constitution for the future good of Calvary Church. And even that was rejected.
The sincerity of PG and his deacons in agreeing to the Plaintiffs’ proposal to settle the matter out of court really comes into question.
CT is unable to provide further details at this time as according to the source, the 7 main Plaintiffs are unsure if they could divulge the full details of what transpired during the Court Mediation.
The matter will now be set for hearing in chambers on 12 April 2011.
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63 comments:
Sadly, many expected this to happen. This is so much like other national current events. Arrogance and self delusions of grandeur due to being in power for far too long. :-(
They will never let anyone change the constitution... It's SP and other leader's rice bowl.
What do the Pharisees do when their laws were challenged by Jesus?
They persecuted Him! They will put Him on the cross and die, but He rose again.
Maybe this is what is going to happen. The court may throw out the defendants suit and set the plaintiffs free. But the Church of Christ will rise again and the pharisees' days are numbered.
May the Lord be the Judge and not man in the April 12 hearing, Let Jesus's commandments has authority over man-made constitution. Whatever the outcome is, trust in the Lord who works in mysterious ways... Amen.
Fr CT2 @ March 25, 2011 9:04 AM
Is Pastor Richard pass retirement age yet?
Anyone here think Pastor Richard is eligible & best equipped to take over as Senior Pastor of CC ?
Forgive me for looking into the Future !
Fr CT2 @ March 25, 2011 9:58 AM
When PG & comrades met the leaders and "brefied them" on reason for the necessity of the church to pick-up the bill of Zul Rafique, it's already a preliminary 'rejection of mediation' Those leaders who were present obviously were salt that lost their saltiness - none objected? If this is the case, then their 'sin' is sin of knowing the truth yet no guts to open their mouth to say something!!!
Let's look at history - becos Pharoah was wicked, God hardened his heart against the Israelites....he died with others, his buddies at the bottom of the Red Sea We do not know what is the future of SP,BOD and those who are for what they are doing - but one thing is sure, the Lord will dispense justice.
TTG - our help comes from the Lord, let us honour God in all our ways, He will direct our paths.
Fr CT2 @ March 25, 2011 10:44 AM
I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power though his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
Ephesians 3:16..and read more.
Fr CT2 @ March 25, 2011 12:32 PM
LORD! WE PRAY YOU PRONOUNCE “TEKEL" QUICKLY
I am not surprised because the Bible does say the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh.
Exodus 10:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these miraculous signs of mine among them."
It is only a matter of time when the Lord pronounce "TEKEL"
<< Daniel 5:27 >> "Tekel": "You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting!"
May HIS “Tekel” come very soon!
<< Daniel 5:30 >> "That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain!"
May the Senior Pastor and those who continue to support him repent quickly!
Vijay
Fr CT2 @ March 25, 2011 2:16 PM
There is no sincerity on PG to put an end to the saga in CC. What an arrogant man! Todate on record, there were at least four attempts by concerned parties regarding the effect this saga has on the Christian community. First, the prominent calvarite and the GS AOG Malaysia; second, the efforts by NECF; third, the suggestion by his former counsel KK Wong and now the court mediation.
He is playing a waiting game waiting for TTG to become tired and run out of patience. To show that he is open to mediation, he pits on an act - chickening out at the eleventh hour on attending the meeting by the prominent calvarite and now after agreeing to the court mediation, he fails to attend. He had only given false hope to the concerned parties who tried to mediate. Probably he is laughing to himself that he can fool so many people.
It is a foregone conclusion that he has no sincerity for mediation and does not have the least bit of concern for members of the church and the Christian community. He is only interested in the dollars and making himself "famous" in the eyes of the international community.
His ambition is to go down into history recognized and remembered as a prominent Christian leader. sad, sad! He will go into history with all the wrong reasons as the man who has brought so much controversies into the church and who has stayed beyond his welcome.
Fr CT2 @ March 25, 2011 8:48 PM
None of the present pastors in CC is qualified to be SP, because all of them have compromise and none have the integrity to stand up against corruption of PG. In fact, each of them feed on the smaller bribe from PG so much that they too guilty of it in a way. Future CC need a clean God-provided pastor.
PG harden his heart so that God could bring him down once and for all, rather than him still holding onto a spot that stumble others. There are 2 reasons why he will be removed. 1st is because of his sins of corruption and greediness. His sis of exploitation hurt God and God's people. 2nd is because God want to bring revival to the church in Malaysia. As PG often compromise due to wish to protect his title, he will not dare to preach to reach the Malays. With PG influence in AOG, many pastors turn corrupt too. PG is the stumbling block of revival and God wan to remove him altogether.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 12:13 AM
Whatever happen, we ought to remember that real peace need to be brought to CC, not a artificial peace. Whatever the agreement is, don't agree to compromise with the sin of corruption. Remember, it is not about the 7 members' say. I means even if the sue is retrieved and somehow the 7 members agreed to accept PG as he is now; the other people of God will not let PG escape. Sins are sins. PG has gone too far that he can no longer be accepted as pastor, example to others. No way. We do not want our children listen "sermon" from a deceiver. There is only one solution to the present saga - PG, his family and his associates resigned unconditionally, and cannot hold any position in church. The story of the whole saga shall be shared to all Christians as a lesson learnt. PG shall be seen as the biggest liar and con-pastor in the Malaysia Christian community's history. LIke Judas, everytime his name PG is mentioned, it is as a negative character.
Fr CT2 @March 26, 2011 12:20 AM
Bring greater awareness. Spare those who unaware of the situation from cheated their money. The college student, our african brothers and sisters, the youth and young adult, the young parent and visitors have the right to know what happen, for them to judge for themselves. Warn them and spare them from loosing or cheated their hard earn money. Tell them. Bring greater awareness. Don't fail in this. If you know PG is a liar, expose it, or we are guilty of not telling our innocent brothers and sisters of the danger of such liar.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 12:24 AM
Height of Arrogance!
How else can anyone make out of PG's & BOD's attitude, and the stuff their heart is made of!!!
Well, we all know GOD hates pride & arrogance, and He resists the proud. So we shall see how far this bunch can go testing the Lord.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 1:11 AM
Isn't it the same all the world over? A young man is thrust into power. He is charismatic and capable and did well by the people. He began to reform the structures to reinforce his position. The constitution was changed and new state apparatus set up. All these approved by the people because they appreciated and loved him. He would not abuse his position. He is a good man. He is doing it for the people. So they believed. Then the Adamic nature set in. Power begot self pride and arrogance. He began to believe that he is the man, the only man for the job. For him to succeed he must not have dissension. There must be complete unity and loyalty. He surrounded himself with men he could control and would share his vision. Men who are not a threat to him. They really believed that they were serving the greater cause by serving him. God knows the heart of man. We are exceedingly deceitful. The dictatorial tendency kept anyone from challenging him or even speak out against him. The consequences could be dire. As he grew older he dreamed of succession from within his own offspring. After all this was built by him. Unsuitable children were thrust into positions of power to be groomed but they did not have his mantle. He started to treat the country as his own. He had been there too long; 30 years, 40 years. The abuse and arrogance were no longer tolerable. The tipping point was reached. The people could not stand it any more. Enough is enough. Dissension broke out. The ruler moved to crushed the rebellion. The people refused to be crushed. Tunisia and Egypt gave in. Libya would rather kill his own people and destroy his own country than give in. Where is CC?
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 11:48 AM
I am surprised that SP can still stand up and preach.All Christians- note the indifference that the other AOG ministers have shown in this matter.When the present crisis is over and some 'Rev" appears at your door enquiring about CC welfare-keep Gods house clean- chase them out with Gods broom.You dont need their influence.Thats the only way I see it.
SP & leadership- I dont see any attempt on your part to initiate peace-darkness has already settled over CC leadership-And you can still tell jokes from the pulpit?? All of you are speakers- not shephards over Gods flock.Face it. You have lost credibility.All the nice sounding Bible verses has no effect.The dumb sheep are waking up.SP- CC is not your personal property.You may have laboured on it- but you have been paid handsomely here on earth for it-so there may be no reward from above.
Tips: TTG must request CC's leadership salary, bonus, perks, this sheet will be a very important document at the trial.
(especially SP's,Pams, Pas. Richard,Steven,Jerry, and the rest) I think the CC worshippers has a legitimate right to know how much they have fleeced from innocent worshippers-by preaching " You have robbed Me- Bring the tithes into my house".Show is just almost over for these frauds and wolves in our midst.
Ft CT2 @ March 26, 2011 11:51 AM
CRYING "WOLF" FOREVER
Calvarites take note, PG had called the bluff again. He cheated us again, without shame. Taken us for a ride again, and again, and again. He did not honor his word. No more respect left for this person. Not fit to be our SP.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 8:35 PM
END GAME FOR PG
Obviously PG had no honest intention to negotiate an out of court settlement. We think really, he and his family had everything to lose. We suspect he was too afraid to turn up for the latest meeting himself. We wonder : How would he start telling the truth when he (and others) had been spinning ever tightenng lies, lies and more lies. Until they could not differentiate reality from falsehood. Until they lost track of honesty. Until they were caught in their own world of sins.
Until they fear facing the music.
Until their end game begins.
Until the world starts learing about their dirty tricks, past and present.
Game over PG. You lose.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 8:56 PM
We should not have been surprised by PG's reported "No show" at the specially arranged meeting to facilitate out of court negotiations. Instead of turing up himself, he sent his spokesmen to represent his interests. We wonder why he still thinks he is firmly placed to dictate terms and conditions. Are these final acts of desperate dictator.
Look at Gaddfi. He said his forces will observe a unilaterally declared ceasefire BUT actually he coordinated his gang of cutthroat mercenaries and loyal army force to ruthlessly decimate and attack the variuos rebel held cities and towns in Libya. Double talk. Double standard. Liar.
Is PG a copy cat ? Same tactics ?
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 9:08 PM
The writers in this blog seems to be very interested in pastors earning big bucks. How about showing some concern for pastors struggling in pioneering churches and rural areas. I don't read anyone commending these pastors. Anyone keen to help such pastors?
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 9:12 PM
Anonymous 26.3.2011 11.51 am
Pls do not tip TTG to do things as you outlined:
Almost all core TTG members have been axed AND can't attend AGM or meetings. If you are still a member of CC you will have to do the asking and press for answers. You have to take over and not tip us to carry out the tasks.
Be the mouthpiece of TTG, thanks.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 9:16 PM
Continuation of Anonymous 11.48 a.m.
Why the necessity for such protest? The people should have tried to change the oppressive ruler through legal means. They tried but could not. The structures and the constitution were stacked against them. The years of domination had allowed the ruler the time and space to put safeguards to ensure his continuity. There were elections but the outcomes were always determined by the ruler. There was nothing the people could do within the existing structures and existing constitution to bring about the changes necessary for their freedom. Those who could migrated but the vast majority could not. They had no other choice but to revolt.
The people of Tunisia and Egypt achieved freedom because the people surrounding the ruler could not bear to see the suffering of their own people and came to their senses. The people of Libya looked certain to be crushed by the ruler until outside parties could not ignore the cries of the people and came to their rescue. Who will rescue the CC 400?
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 9:42 PM
Hi All,
Today's reading of Our Daily Bread seems to be for PG, BOD & APs, it is entitled Columbus' Eclipse & it read thus ..............
"On one of Christopher Columbus’ voyages, he found that his crew’s food supply was almost depleted. Anchored off the island of Jamaica, he was grateful to be given food by the islanders. But as time went on, the gifts of food decreased so that the crew began to starve.
Columbus knew from an astronomy book that a lunar eclipse would soon occur. He called the native chiefs together and told them God was angry about their selfishness and would blot out the moon. At first the islanders scoffed. But when they watched the night’s silver disc slowly become dark, they became terrified and quickly brought food. Columbus said that if he prayed, the moon would be restored. Though we may empathize with his circumstances, Columbus’ “message from God” was dishonest and self-serving.
Aware of religious charlatans who “peddled” God’s Word for their own desires, the apostle Paul wrote, “We are not, as so many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God” (2 Cor. 2:17).
At all times we must be on guard not to misrepresent God’s message to acquire what we want from others. With a heart yielded to God, we must honestly share spiritual truths that will benefit those who hear."
Don’t compromise the Word of God
Or twist what He has said;
For blessing comes from faithfully
Proclaiming truth instead. —Sper
"The purpose of sharing God’s truth is to profit others,
not to prosper ourselves."
May you be blessed by your reading of today's devotional.
Fr CT2 @ March 26, 2011 9:53 PM
When PG goes, all the Associate Pastors have to go as well! None of the AP have looked after the interest of Jesus Christ in the care of the His sheep. Can anyone here share of an AP who has made a personal difference to their walk with Jesus ? Beyond the 1 minute prayer in the church foyer, a short hospital visit and some quick hi/bye word on a church service ?
Fr CT2 @ March 27, 2011 10:40 AM
David Hwang is right- there are still Godly pastors around who are pioneering in raw areas. I only reserve my tithes for them.To me they are doing a glorious work-little money and no fame or regognition.Someone has said the greatest Christians are those whom we rarely hear about.But city Pastors tend have it easy.Rarely does anyone visit the sick or fellowship with the needy.
Fr CT2 @ March 27, 2011 11:35 AM
Sunday March 27, 2011 - During the whole period of todya's morning service, there was NOT a single squeek (read "Official Announcement")from the CC pulpit about court case or even the agreedment to arbitrate out of court. Apparently, the current leadership of CC, under PG1, seemed to deemed it an insignificant matter to highlight to the congregation and drop in visitors. Maybe they try to cover the truth about the chickening out act of PG1.
Allegedly, he promised to appear for the meeting but did not keep his word. Again. Appparrently he did so in previously arranged meetings - said to instrumental in facilitating the amicable settlement of core matters relating to CC leadership, Constitution and the need for transparencey, truth and good governance.
Needless to say, too many of us concerned CC members, including especially voting and non voting members, are deeply hurt by the latest display of (we think) a certain individual leader's arrogance,irresponsibility and self righteousness. We can no longer respect such continued opposition to peaceful and amicable settlement of matters relating to OUR church ! Don't forget CC belongs to US first ! Without us, without our full and deicated support of the congregations' continuous fundings over all these decades, CC will not be where it is today. Likewise, it is from the congregations' constant giving we firmly believe that the present leaders and other pastors and church staff enjoy the reportedly "good life" salaries, perks and benefits. Not to mention the alleged high society lifestyles.
Yet despite all these exposures, the present leadership continues to blatantly ignore the widening cries of the congregation for truth, transparency and good governance.
Yet despite all internal and third party efforts to arbitrate, the present leaders continued to hold on to its refusal to reform for the goof of everyone, INCLUDING we the church members.
How can PG1 continue NOT to listen to our cries for more information about CC, about CCC, the CC Constitution, CC memberships, Collections and Allocations, etc ?
There are too many questions left unanswered, leaving we the congregation too unhappy,frustrated and confused to continue giving to CC.
Fr CT2 @ March 27, 2011 6:29 PM
I agree with Anonymous (March 27, 2011 10:40 AM). The pastors of CC will direct us to submit our prayer request to prayer tower. I was once serving in the visitor lounge and there was a cancer patient visiting our church. The sister told me she's not a Christian and in the final stage. After a short prayer for the lady, the sister asked if a pastor could visit her sister at her home. I saw Ps Peter nearby and asked him. He told all three of us to call church office on Tuesday and check for available pastor to set appointment because he said they were busy and had little time for home visitation. The cancer patient and her sister looked so disappointed. This was just a single instance of an AP in CC who has outrightly declined the opportunity to minister. I don't see any potential among our APs to take up SP role in CC. There are too many occasions to name about how the different APs have failed to live up to even the most minute expectation. What more to really care and lead the sheep? If they say that we need to tithe to the church that feeds us, then I don't see the point of tithing to CC. I've been growing in the Lord not because of anything that CC did. But now that I've joined a new church, I'm growing even more quickly and I don't even need to be told to offer my time and money. The church leaders treat the congregation as mature adults, not kids. Good leaders don't ask people for money. They pray to God to provide.
Fr CT2 @ March 27, 2011 1:28 PM
ARE YOU A SOULISH OR SPIRITUAL CHRISTIAN?
PART 1 – DIVIDING SOUL & SPIRIT
Have you wondered why are there some in the congregation in Calvary Church still faithful to the present leadership?
I believe one of the main reason is because of their ignorance of the Bible, and it reflects the depth of darkness in their spiritual perception. They lack knowledge concerning the difference between the spirit and the soul.
{First let me be very clear. This blog is NOT addressed to members who FELLOWSHIP in Calvary Church and OPPOSE THE PRESENT LEADERSHIP. (e.g. TTG members and their supporters). This article is a WARNING and is addressed to MEMBERS who are SITTING ON THE FENCE or SUPPORT the present leadership.
This applies to ALL LEADERS in whatever capacity they serve the present leadership, i.e. cell leaders, worship leaders etc. They are either in the Lord’s Camp or NOT. Spiritual Christian Leaders have a duty to warn them because when the day of reckoning comes, (i.e. when the Lord removes the present leadership), these leaders have NO EXCUSE other then to REPENT. In addition, they FORFEIT their leadership in the RENEWED Calvary Church!}
Watchman Nee has said this:
It is an issue of supreme importance to divide between the spirit and soul for it affects tremendously the spiritual life of a believer. How can a believer understand spiritual life if he does not know what is the extent of the realm of the spirit? Without such understanding how can he grow spiritually? To fail to distinguish between spirit and soul is fatal to spiritual maturity. Christians often account what is soulical as spiritual, and thus they remain in a soulish state and seek not what is really spiritual. How can we escape loss if we confuse what God has divided? (The Spiritual Man, vol. 1, p. 22).
THREE CLASSES OF CHRISTIANS
In 1 Corinthians 2:14-15, according to the Greek, it read this way: "But a soulish man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the spiritual man discerns all things...and I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to fleshy men, as to infants in Christ."
Here Paul clearly distinguishes between "the soulish man," "the spiritual man," and "fleshy men."
In 1 Corinthians 2:12-13 Paul says, "that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by HUMAN WISDOM, but in those taught by the Spirit, interpreting (or communicating) spiritual things to spiritual men".
It is quite clear from this passage that spiritual things can be communicated only to men who know the spirit, and that those who live in the soul can never accept or understand the things of the spirit.
Continued in Part II below.
(CT Sorry this blog is long but had to as it is a WARNING)
Vijay
Fr CT2 @ March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
ARE YOU A SOULISH OR SPIRITUAL CHRISTIAN?
PART TWO – INFANTS IN CHRIST
There is also a third class of men referred to by Paul in chapter three, verse 1. These are called "fleshy men," or “INFANTS IN CHRIST" This class of men is regenerated, having the life of God and the Spirit of God. But instead of paying attention to the spirit, they walk according to the flesh. They have the Holy Spirit DWELLING IN THEIR SPIRIT, YET THEY DO NOT KNOW THE SPIRIT. They neither submit to the Spirit nor are they ruled by the Spirit.
This explains why there are some within the congregation of Calvary Church that are spiritually blind and continue to support the present leadership.
Hence, concerning the Bible they may pretend to be very learned, yet in depth of understanding they perceive very little. The Corinthian believers were in this class. Paul calls them "infants in Christ," yet they considered themselves quite mature in spiritual things.
According to chapter eight, verse 1, they were puffed up in knowledge, and in chapter thirteen though they could "speak with the tongues of men and of angels," had "prophecy," knew "all mysteries," and "all knowledge," had "all faith," and could "remove mountains," yet in verse 11 Paul referred to them as "infants" and told them that they should put away "infantile things."
The above is an excellent example of the present Christians in Calvary Church who support the present leadership because they CANNOT distinction between soul and spirit. Thinking they represented the highest in Christian attainment, they in fact are not able to receive the things of God nor can they understand them. Neither their gifts nor knowledge qualified them as spiritual men.
The soul belongs to the realm of the natural man, and the spirit belongs to the realm of the Spirit. Anyone who cannot distinguish the difference between these two categories is in darkness. It means they cannot tell what is of God and what is not of God. They may pose as an expert on the Bible, but in fact he cannot know the Bible because the Bible can be interpreted only by men who know the spirit.
One other verse shows the distinct cleavage between soul and spirit. It is Jude 19. "These are the ones who cause divisions, natural [soulish], not having spirit" (Gk.). Jude was referring to the degraded situation that will exist at the end of this age in Christianity, where there will be pretenders to spiritual things. These men will be the source of divisions, because they are soulish men devoid of spirit.
The present division within Calvary Church is NOT caused by the TGG and their supporters but by those who CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE PRESENT LEADERSHIP BECAUSE OF THEIR SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS.
Otherwise, the CONGREGATION would have in ONE VOICE thrown out the PRESENT LEADERSHIP in spite of what the constitution says. Alas, due to the spiritual blindness of some in the congregation, there is a division.
Here again it is clear that the realm of the soul and the realm of the spirit are two entirely different spheres. The realm of the spirit is the realm of God's activity, and the realm of the soul is the realm of merely human and sometimes even demonic activity.
The importance of being able to distinguish between these two realms is of utmost importance.
Vijay
(CT – my apology for the long blog but felt was necessary as it is a WARNING!)
Fr CT2 @ March 28, 2011 10:43 AM
Was PG scared to come to court fearing alleged " Warrant of Arrest" will be served on him ? Did PG sleep well ? Case KIV BUT not NFA by AG yet !
Fr CT2 @ March 28, 2011 11:51 AM
RESPONSE TO THE FOLLOWING BY ANONYMOUS:-
"I saw Ps Peter nearby and asked him. He told all three of us to call church office on Tuesday and check for available pastor to set appointment because he said they were busy and had little time for home visitation."
Little time for home visitation?I think God let you be disappointed so that you can get out of that spiritually stale place & immediately. But if you were the son of a millionaire or Datuk- they would have FOUND THE TIME FOR YOU. But in the world we are nothin....and CC knows that.
Imagine if CCC is completed,it would be under the control of his family and his "Yes men"- kind of a family dynasty.And a stage to meet his powerful ego.
I am glad that you found another church.Its not just SP.Most of the AOG ministers are afflicted with this disease " I am the Pastor" so you come to me - so there is no time for home or hospital visitation.The last time I attended the evening service at CC- there was this huge projection near the pulpit with various amounts of RM signs- money that was collected,pledged and already collected and soft music in the backgroud.How did it descend to this level? All the worshippers could see were the $$$ signs during the worship.And then the same pathetic appeal- "Give-it shall be given unto you"" Bring the tithes into my storehouse" " You have robbed Me!!!
I did not want my family to be part of this- so we prayed and left. On hindsight- looks like we made the right decision.WE will return when the Spirit within us prompts us.The modern churches are being bruised by rogue leaders.At the rate we are going- Mr.Satan and his horde can take a back seat and enjoy the show.(I can imagine in my mind a group of demons sitting at the back row of a church and laughing away)
For Calvary's leadership- I have only 1 word--REPENT- before its too late.Remember Esau's dilemma- although he expressed repentance with tears- it was not accepted- but it was already too late.( remember Rev.Jim Baker)Farewell.
You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the approaching judgment?
Fr CT2 @ March 28, 2011 5:30 PM
"In fact one Pastor told me that when CCC is completed all those who left will return- because the facilities available at CCC will be irresistible to those who left."
Anonymous 24 march2011, 4:35pm as appeared "PG changes lawyers")
The above statement attributed to one pastor in CC, just confirmed(over & over again) that PG led Assoc Pas,BOD & his Minions are totally worldly--always emphasizing the physical aspects & 'feel good factor' but ZERO on the power of the WORD!
And such statement proved without a shadow of doubt they are sold out to the ways & methods of the world.
Fr CT2 @ March 29, 2011 12:20 AM
I really do not know why the Plaintiffs still want to negotiate with SP? If SP wants to do that, he would have done it even before the news were published. I can definately tell that he is NOT KEEN to TALK FACE TO FACE AT ALL.
Let's not WASTE TIME. Walk with your talk to find a new church that has transprency.
So sad to hear the story of the cancer patient being let down by Ps Peter. Jesus will never reject anyone. Matt 25:40 teaches us that inasmuch as we do it to the least of our brethren, we do it unto Him. How can Pastors have such cold and unloving hearts?? Where is Jesus in their lives??
If Pastors cannot be like Jesus, they should not be called Pastors. Someone mentioned that if you were rich and famous, the Pastors might find time for you. Sad indeed. Can imagine how it must grieve our Father's heart to see such hypocrisy in His Churches today. Leaders serving mammon instead of God.
And sadly, this kind of attitude and coldness by leaders and Pastors are not only happening in CC but some other churches in KL too. Makes one wanna drop-out of Church altogether.
ALL THESE ROGUE AND FALSE LEADERS AND PASTORS ONLY MAKE ONE THING SO CLEAR. THEY PALE IN COMPARISON AND MAKE JESUS SHINE MORE BRIGHTLY. JESUS. HE IS OUR ONE AND ONLY TRUE SHEPHERD!!!
Disheartened by Pastors.
Fr CT2 @ March 29, 2011 6:17 PM
People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
Only cowards who have guilty conscience or somethings to hide will avoid mediation meetings in accordance with what the Bible teaches in 1 Cor 6.
How can leaders and Pastors not conform to this Bible verse? It is BAFFLING!
It seems apparent that God is giving them chance after chance and heaps of time to come clean with their act and co-operate.
If they keep failing the tests that God is so patiently and kindly giving them, their time will run out.
God will not tolerate their wickedness forever. The Bible teaches us not to test the Lord, Our God.
To repeatedly let the plaintiffs go round and round and deceive them into thinking that a Mediation will take place is in itself, a wicked act.
May God open their eyes to see that they have nothing if they dont have love for others. It is ironical that the CC Church Theme for 2011 is "Love God and your neighbour as yourself". Are they practicing what they preach? I dont think so. What a bunch of hypocrites !
The Amazing Grace song says that "I was was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see.." That implies to people who find Jesus and become born again the first time.
It is sad that Pastors and senior leaders who have been Christians for tons of years are still lost and blind.
May God have mercy on them. After all the warnings and tests and time given to them, God will surely have to show His vengeance somday if they dont quickly repent and restore to those they have hurt.
God tests us with an open book test. The answers are all in the Bible. But the Bible says we should not test God. So I hope that the errant CC leaders and the like do not try God's patience further as I would not like to think of the punishment they will get for being wicked Christians.
They once was lost but now are still lost...were blind but now are blinder...
Lets turn our eyes upon Jesus and not unto these counterfeit Christians.
Amazed.
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 5:47 AM
With all due respect to all individual's right of choice in decisio nmaking, we uphold the belief that when God's Truth is threatened or when freedom of the people (including especially the church's own congregation) is oppressed, we should stand firm holding onto our ground, defending all our rights, not running away from the battle in the spiritual warfare against Satan and his evil forces. If we run away from our frontline responsibilities and surrender our God given promises of abundant lives,, who else will bear all these major responsibiltties ? After all, we are Christians, the salt of the Earth, right ? Aren't we too the light bearers ?
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 7:39 AM
PART 2 - STANDING OUR GROUND
CONTINUATION OF PART 1
MARCH 30, 2011 - 7.39 AM)
Let us look at the classic example of David versus Goliath, for illustration with reference to the present mess generated by leadership situation gravely troubling CC. Referring to our bibles (NIV, KJS or any other popular versions), we notice nowhere in the holy texts that Ghristians wring their hands in frustration and defeat, turning their backs away from the battle front, saying, "This is God's fight, We are mere mortals. Some of us are not even trained fighting men (from the king's army). We can't do anything much more against the enemies, who are better armed, better trained, better equiped, far larger in force, better fed, etc, etc, etc. Let us go somewhere else where there is no fighting. Why do we need to live such complicated lives here in this dump ?". LIkewise why did't King Saul and his whole army do the following ? Why didn't they just take the easy way out, the socalled rational way, abandon everything and tell their enemies, "We have had enough, you are welcome to take over and possess this land, although it is our land." "After all, GOD, being GOD will lead us to even bigger richer pieces of other lands for all our people to be blessed." ? Or perhaps, "We are Christans, we don't fight, Let God fight our wars." ?
We think King Saul. David, his brothers, and many others did not run away from the battle because they are fighting for the truth, for righteousness, for God's kingdom on earth, etc. They were prepared to defend God's Truth with their own lives.
We believe through such trials all of us are going through, God is separating the goats from the sheep, or vice versa.
So Let us do the right thing.
We are either for God or against Him. NO fence sitters. No grey zone. NO nonsense.
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 9:24 AM
@ Anonymous Disheartened by Pastors. Regretfully this is your experience with some pastors. However, i thank God for my Sr Pastor and his wife who still make personal home/hospital to care/pray for us members and our non believing loved ones. They have travelled outstation to be with members to share in their times of mourning. I believe it has to do with the culture of the pastor and church rather than a denomination. We are a urban AOG church. After reading some of your woes, i thank God for my pastor his wife and for our church.
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 9:41 AM
(1)Many CC members have TOTT ever since 2006 and reason with existing worshipers to also TOTT !
(2)Without money and financial contributions flowing into their private coffers, they cannot SIN secularly anymore !
(3) MONEY is PG's " ROCK & Strength ", so just continue to TOTT.
(4) I wonder whether the BOD & Elders will use Millions of CC funds to " SET BAIL for PG's alleged..... " without seeking approval first from the CC congregation ?
(5) Will the BANKERS withdraw CCC Loans if more NEGATIVE visions surfaced ?
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 9:46 AM
To SP, leaders of CC and all other hypocrite Church leaders:
If you have nothing to hide, do come forward and reveal the total truth and defend yourselves. Refusing to do so would mean that you are a coward and that you are hiding something.
Your life is like a time bomb now. God is shaking the earth and He will surely shake His Church and people. Let us not take Him for granted !
I urge you, PG and counterfeit Christians and leaders, to wake up and repent while you still have time. Restore to those you have hurt and make up to them before you lay your offerings at the altar. God says your obedience is better than your sacrifice.
We WARN you to get your acts together and be men enough to do the right thing and own up to your mistakes. DO NOT LET THE DEVIL WIN!
We have a forgiving God and forgiving congregation and brethren. There is a price to pay for sin and you may lose your positions in Church. But you will surely escape God's wrath if you repent, now and fast.
Otherwise, your life is like a ticking time bomb and we dare not think what will happen when God intervenes.
Lastly, no matter what happens to all these errant, hypocrite Pharisees and scribes of today, let us learn from their mistakes and continue to be humble and meek and allow God to teach and mould us through this trial and adversity.
Let us be stronger by this and realise that JESUS is still our BRIGHTEST and Morning Star and nobody compares to Him. They all pale in comparison and JESUS shines so much more brighter now.
Thank You Jesus that we can still look up to you when our worldly shepherds fail us.
Amen
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 9:55 AM
Heard SP's message on tithing & something concerning the Lord's annointed. Ever wonder how come no scriptures are quoted from the New Testament? The answer is simply because you cannot find such support from Jesus & the New Testament. If anyone has even some bible knowledge or spiritual discernment, he/she should realise that what SP said is really not biblical.
Tithing (Old Testament) has been fulfilled by generous/cheerful giving (New Testament) and the priesthood of all believers (New Testament) has superceded the special position of "annointed" priests (Old Testament).
Fr CT2 @ March 30, 2011 2:06 PM
BRAINWASHING SESSIONS IN CC
We strongly suspect that the passive ressistance in the form of TOTT (Turn Off The Tap) has started bearing fruits, making the congregations' combined effort worked so effectively in reducing the "water flow". Apparently, PG and gang are very worried about the drastic change to their current comfy life style (and confort zone) being removed from under their feet.
We believe, in desparation, PG has launched his PLAN B, to minimize "collateral damage", and to try to salvage the "dinking ship" - by introducing a "new series" on "church tithing" (you must tithe, it is biblical), "annointed leaders" )don't go against them), God's portion (you must give, don't touch them) and "Not robbing God).
During PG's recent sermon, he preached the classic example below: "You don't eat food at one place, then go over to another restaurant to pay (for it), do you ?
Before we go any further, may we pose ytou the quesyion : "WHAT spritual food are you talking about tahat had been supposedly feeding the CC congregation ? "
We the discerning CC congregation know the truth from falsehoods. We can distinguish God's biblical truths from an unscrupulous "leader's brain washing sessions. We are not stupid, you know. We are also well versed with/in the bible. PLus God given wisdom continue to avoid traps set by such charlatans.
March 30, 2011 10:51 PM
LET US PUT AN END TO THE TITHING NONSENSE PREACHED BY CHRISTIAN LEADERS!
LET ME BE BLUNT!
I HAVE A HOLY ANGER TOWARDS ANYTHING THAT CAUSES CHRISTIANS TO BE UNDER BONDAGE. WHY? BECAUSE CHRIST DIED AND AROSE TO LIBERATE US.
WHY ARE CHRISTIANS ALLOWING THEIR LEADERS TO ROB THEM FROM THAT WHICH OUR LORD HAS LIBERATES US?
I HATE THE FOLLOWING PRACTICES OF ROGUE CHRISTIAN LEADERS:-
1. USING FEAR TO ROB CHRISTIANS OF THE JOY AND PEACE OF THE LORD
2. ROBBING CHRISTIANS BY PREACHING FALSE DOCTRINES & HALF TRUTHS!
3. PREVENTING THE HOLY SPIRIT (WHO IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH) FROM COMPLETING HIS WORK IN EACH CHRISTIAN.
I will not give any tithes to Calvary Church under the present leadership. It seems that some in the congregation have adopted Lenin’s famous maxim, “they have a heart on fire (for God) but their brain is on ice”! Let us help thaw their brains so that they know the truth about tithing.
We don’t have to go overseas, read the article by our own Malaysian Born Again Spirit Baptised Christian, Dr. Eddy Cheong, a medical specialist by profession from Malacca.
1. Read his article: IS TITHING COMPULSORY FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN?
http://www.agape.com/tithe.htm#LAW%20OF%20FIRST%20MENTION
2.TAKE THE TITHING TEST!
http://www.healingandvision.org/tithingtest.pdf
3. Here are some additional web sites that also provide useful information on the REAL TRUTH ABOUT TITHING
http://www.tithingdebate.com/
http://bible-truths-revealed.info/adv15.html
The Lord blesses us not because we give our tithes but out of His love and care towards His children.
I suggest you give to the organisations mentioned in Calvary Today until such time the Lord restores His choice leaders in Calvary Church.
Vijay
Fr CT2 @ March 31, 2011 9:26 AM
Response to Brainwashing - apparently SP said- You don't eat in one reataurent and pay in another.
SP has forgotten that the things of God are for free? " Freely you have received- freely give!!" Paul- That I may preach the Gospel free of charge...( 2nd Corinthians)
Oh come on CC leadership!!! if you love the people- they would freely pour an abundance into your lap without anyone telling them to do so.Many Christians are closer to God than the preachers themselves and are very sensitive to Gods promptings by the Holy Spirit to give.Right now I dont feel led to contribute anything to CC at all. I will wait for for all those dearly beloved who have been sacked to be restored before I give anything. This is our church!!Not SP's own property!!Some Preachers who can preach think they are above others and therefore they are above other Christians. But SP have strayed from the nobility of the calling. I do not mean to show any disrespect- but I think SP has backslidden.All that matters now is SP's great and glorious CCC.The cash flow has turned into a trickle.And he is getting fidgety.And God had deprived him of the wisdom to tackle this matter- because SP's powerful ego is standing in the way.SP's honour and credibility has already crumbled into the dust--I think God will allow SP to have his own way. SP wants to go down this road?? Lets see how far he can go...The divine chastisement has already begun.. we are seeing another King Saul in our midst.This is a time to mourn for the CC family.
Samuel:---Saul- you have acted foolishly......
Fr CT2 @ March 31, 2011 4:52 PM
Matt 24:3-8 says this.
The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age
3 "Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences,[b] and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. "
I was reading this and thinking about the recent calamities affecting the world, earthquakes, tsunamis, wars as well as the increasingly types of afflictions affecting mankind etc
It is true that the end will come soon. The Bible says that because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
There is so much lawlessness these days, even in CC and other Churches that Pastors are not even obeying the Bible and this has caused the love of many to grow cold. They have become stumbling blocks to many.
I hope that we will heed God's warnings when he shakes the earth and not be caught unready if calamity strikes or when Jesus returns.
"Thank You Lord for Your signs and warnings and for giving us an opportunity to repent. Help us to be obedient and humble to learn from You and to change. Help us to live the lives you want us to live and be the people you want us to be." AMEN !
Fr CT2 @ March 31, 2011 8:40 PM
DO you really want to give your money to CC?
Most of us have short memory, so reminder here is
needed. Remember how PG, & the BODs have made use of the hard earned monies the Congregation has given, and until this minute nothing has changed:
1.PG's rule "Give, but don't ask how or where the
offerings go/or where it is spent"
2.the special collection never reached the flood victims of Indonesia, and one wonder how many more such cases still undisclosed..
3. a very, very small portion of Missions money is actually used for what it is meant for. The amount & distribution is so manipulated & disguised that it took a good 5 years before it was discovered by TTG that over RM1.9 MILLION was siphoned to PG's personal ministry CIM. CIM's mission & purpose is a front for the PGs' to build fill their own coffers.
4. Calvary Land--which to date has wasted over RM10Million to become a white elephant. And still now it requires between RM300,000-500,000 annually for its upkeep! ( and of course a nice tidy salary for PG trusted Elder's wife.) Petrina knows it had failed miserably-hence no "boasting" fr her.
5. The ever increasing HIGH salaries ( dare they called it "stipends") and perks for all these bunch of over retirement age SP , sr SP & Assoc Ps.
( hence, none of them will ever, ever leave on their own. For the G family, CC has become their kingdom, and for AssocP , their lips are sealed bec of this too attractive $$$. Think about it, it's guaranteed and pay rise is Automatic.
6. Fly business /1st Class, live 5 Star, dine Gourmet,
luxury all the way...
Now, more Church money, hundred of thousands will be paid his lawyers to defend himself &his BODs who actually should pay fr their pockets.(they are sued,not the Church)
As I understand here, had they accepted TTG's proposal to review the Constitution, the OS would have been withdrawn, and this hundreds of thousands would not be spent, so wastefully!
Well, it's not their money, so do they care?
PG has dished out the same "prosperity" message behind the pulpit. Who actually laughs all the way to the bank?
Now, think again, or should I say think not even twice, but Thrice before you put your sacrificial offering in the bag, where there is no accountability from these bunch who lord over the congregation
shamelessly.
April 1, 2011 1:43 AM
..." So sad to hear the story of the cancer patient being let down by Ps Peter."..
In 2002, I bought one unbeliever demon-possessed to Ps Peter in 2002. He refer me to the Prayer Tower only! The other Pastors just prayed on that Friday Prayer meeting. I prayed and noticed vividly that all CC pastors including PGs are not gifted to " CAST out DEMONS "!
Anyway I bought the unbeliever Demon-possessed to the "SCHOOL of ACTS" for prayers the next day & there was REAL manifestations over there ! Many witnesses were stunned & their hairs stand on ends !
I never referred any Demons- possessed unbeliever to CC ever again ! NONE of CC PASTORS are anointed at all ! SHOCKINGLY revealed by the SPIRIT of our LIVING GOD ?
Fr CT2 @ April 1, 2011 9:23 AM
IMAGINE.........
Not the song by BG.
Is a song by PG !!!!!
Imagine if PG had shown the CIM accounts in 2008,
we would not have known
- RM800,000 transfer to CIM accounts
- funds for Indonesia Tsunami victims is in CIM accounts
- RM20M Calvaryland serve <10 people
- PG's son ministry has millions of ringgit
- PG's wife owner of Calvary bookstore
- PG under declare his income tax
- PG was sacked from Lake Club
- PG was sighted at Sun Complex
- PG oversea offering not declared
- PG sacked a whistleblower
- PG sacked 400 Calvarites
- PG refused christian arbitrition
IMAGINE..........
There is no TTG
But one and only PG
- Dumb sheep still in CC
- Dumb sheep raising funds for CCC
- Dumb sheep giving offering to CC
- Dumb sheep pledging to CCC
- Dumb sheep pledging to mission in CC
- Dumb sheep supporting Freemason Design CCC
- Dumb sheep raising funds for CCC
- Dumb sheep sacrificing their bonuses for CC
IMAGINE.........
ALL THE PEOPLE
STILL CONTRIBUTING TO CC
PRAISE THE LORD
HE OPENED OUR EYES TO SEE
OUR EARS TO HEAR
AND BROUGHT US OUT OF CC
JESUS IS ALIVE !
HE LIVES,HE LIVES
CHRIST JESUS LIVES TODAY
HE WALKS WITH ME AND TALKS WITH ME
ALONG LIFE'S NARROW WAY
HE LIVES WITHIN MY HEART
Fr CT2 @ April 1, 2011 2:59 PM
Unbelievable! PG's no-show after agreeing to the proposal for a court mediation. Twice he had gave the "feel good" feeling and break your heart at the last minute.
He is like a sadist though the pain he had caused is not physical but emotional. How can you explain such behaviour coming from a man who claims to be a man-of-God and had been anointed. It is simply that he has lost his anointment and also lost his spiritual principles. Everyday he is walking around but cannot see. He sees only the dollar sign and his dreams to build CCC and a name for himself. What arrogance!!!
Fr CT2 @ April 2, 2011 2:15 PM
Penag Port Commission v Kanawagi
[2008] 6 Malayan Law Journal 701
"Generally the process of Court must be used properly,honestly and in good faith and it must not be abused.This must surely be the best way to describe the meaning of the term 'abuse of process'. Ths Court will not allow itself to be misused.The Court will certainly ensure that its machinery will not be used as a means of vexation or even oppression"
It appears that the Court system is governed by nobler principles and has a greater sense of justice than the church.Maybe it has always been that way.I understand that Mediation has collapsed.If the summons is converted into a Writ Action-witnesses can be summoned to Court-and this includes all of CC leadership.He may be a high titled person within the church and society- but our Federal Constitution states emphatically that all citizens are equal before the law.His titles doesn't mean a thing inside a Courtroom. This means a man tried for murder and rape will have the same rights as CC leadership.
I think this comedy cannot end given the present stalemate- the lawyers have got to make this application to convert the Summons into a Writ action- ONLY THEN THERE WILL BE JITTERS IN CC LEADERSHIP. That is the the first step TTG will have to take. Mediation is a feeble tiger with no bite.Talk to your lawyers.I do hope that you have not engaged Conveyancing lawyers.TTG needs a litigation lawyer who knows the Rules and can moot a point before a Judge clearly and must be well acquainted with AA & MA & Administrative Law-an area of doctrine known as Judial review- this deals with People in high positions acting outside the scope of their powers - acting UV- the sacking of 400 is ultra vires at law. Farewell.
A time to be silent, and a time to talk.
Fr CT2 @ April 2, 2011 3:38 PM
It's really getting from bad to worst this whole episode of " PG Clinging to Power at all cost"
Why?
The crux of TTG's genuine concern was that the CC Constitution ought to be reviewed because it was clear for all to see that the Rules inside in were abused time and again at the AGM by both PG & his BOD to silence those who wanted truth, transperancy and accountability. They interpreted the Rules to suit themselves-there was never a chance for those who dare speak-up ever be heard, because they go by "head I win, tail you loose!"!!!
Now the real scary part, is PG is going to do the Constitution Review--using his appointed Minions.
You can expect he thinks he is now home free--the Constitution will be further tighten to strengthen his position as SP.
No wonder PG & his BOD, who sweared allegiance to him, did not agree to the Plaintiffs wanting an Independent Panel to study it.
I just hope those who are left in the Congregation will realise early enough to Stop this Dictator!
Fr CT2 @ April 2, 2011 10:49 PM
CALVARITES SUCKERED OVER CALVARYLAND
Further to Thawed Brain's remarks on Calvaryland, we wish to share our true story about it. After Calvaryland materialised and became a reality, we thought it would be an excellent idea to transfer our aged mother to Calvaryland. We thought it would be the ideal place, full of fresh air and tranquility. Plus we thought it was run by CC, esp since it was supposedly managed by loving Christians.
We were simply shocked by the negative responses to our enquiries on in Calvaryland. Sister Sherren* told us there were no medically qualified staff at Calvaryland. Only periodic visits to governnment clinic far away from Calvaryland. She emphasised we must be self financing, that is, we must pay for all mum's expenses (which we were prepared to do so, in the first place).
Which brings us the the question: If all the ten inmates or less are self paying/self financing - why is Calvaryland being allocated RM300,000 - RM 500,000 every year ? Why need so much money for only ten inmates or less ?
How can the homeless, the single mothers, the drug addicts, the poor orphans, etc be self financing ? How can they pay for their expenses at Calvaryland ?
Why after costing RM 1o million to build and equip, Calvaryland only has ten or less inmates ?
Isn't it obviously not cost effective ? Not result oriented ? We at CC and the general public who contributed to this noble cause would have expected better results, right ?
BTW, we have not finished our true story.
The heart attack shocker we had was - When we were told by Sister Sherren*, "Calvaryland is too far away for your mother, sure you don't mind !"
Question : If Sister Sherren thinks Calvaryland is located too far, why in the fisrt place CC (through PG's grand vison) buy the land and build this RM 10,000,000.00 (RM 10 million) Calvaryland ? Really stupid and Illogical !
We could help being hurt and digusted by the turn off attitude of this person, attending to our enquiries. We had no choice but to conclude having the uncanny suspicion that she was trying very hard to shoo us away. She did not show any concern about accepting or even meeting our aged mother. She seemed to be firm about turning away our poor mother !
BTW we are CC members for decades.
Yet we received such harsh treatment. Thank God. We later found a very suitable nursing home for mum, a home where the staff show genuine concern and care for our mother. NOT Calvaryland.
We wonder whether Calvaryland serves its original purpose as proclaimed in CC by PG. Or has it deviated so much from it original good cause ?
We too were SUCKERED into believing the grand lies Calvaryland being the ideal place for aged people, homeless orphane, single mothers, drug addicts, poor and needy, etc. We also did our share of contributing to this "noble cause". BUT the truth exposed showed the opposite ! we also shared with our home life leader about our disappointment over Calvaryland BUT he said nothing.
No wonder Calvaryland got only ten VVIP extremely PRIVILEGED EXCLUSIVELY SELECTED INMATES !!!!!
We swear to Almighty God everything said in this blog is 100% true.
Another PG's lies exposed. Calvarites be warned NOT TO CONTRIBUTE ANYMORE to Calvaryland.
Wake up people. TOTT. TOTT. TOTT.
Until CC is cleaned of the sinful leadership it has now.
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 12:41 AM
APRIL FOOL NO MORE
Towards the end of every church service, the question that popped out is : "Is there anyone today ho is a first time visior to CC ?"
Then, "If you are, will you please stand up, so that we can identify you. we would like to welcome ypou to CC. We have a visiotrs' lounge, specially prepared for you." Or something to that effect.
Most members of the congregation would crane their necks, turning their heads to the right and to the left. Lately, nine out of every ten times NOBODY stands up.
PG, you are supposed to be an intelligent person. Please come to the realisation that as long as CC's leadership continues its wrong style of governance, not being transparent, and not toally subscribing to the truth - most of us sitting at the pews would NOT recommend our friends, acquiaintances, contacts to visit CC.
Especially since some more of us are contemplating "migration" to other churches. We are not hypocratic to others. We can't bring people to CC, esp when we ourselves are planning to "disappear" elsewhere for spiritual food ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha!
Beat it, man.
PG, This ain't April Fool Joke ! This is it ! For real.
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 12:56 AM
What is the similarity between PG and the way he runs CC and the Middle East regimes?
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 6:31 AM
I have Prayed last 3 years and realised that CC will be allowed to go BANKRUPT & CCC be permitted to be abandoned mid way ! It must be God's PLAN to REMOVE the STUBBORN PGs in his tracks as one of the historical "FALLEN False Pastor"! CT Readers need not agree with my SPRITUAL discernment !
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 9:58 AM
To anoy of April 3 9:58am,
For me, i would rather CC go bankrupt but realize the great mistake and repent and restart even in bankrupt stage; than for PG to successfully build CCC and continue to lie many.
The lost of money is relatively small compare to the lost of integrity. I would rather the new CC is a poor church but a right church; than a rich and deceiver church under PG.
The danger of PG's deception is far more greater than the danger of loosing money. DOn't let his deception spread to the next generation. Stop it right here.
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 4:09 PM
Ever wondered why KK Wong, the previous Christian lawyer representing PG was replaced? Probably due to the fact that the lawyer was for out of court settlement which was against PG's intention.
Anyway, we should thank Anonymous April 2, 3:38pm. He is obviously a lawyer and sent by God to point out the relevant case of Penang Port Authority vs Kanawagi.
CT, please take heed of his advice. He aboviously is on our side and knows what he is saying. I suspect he is a lawyer too. In any case, I hope CT will discuss with its lawyers to convert the summons into a writ action so that the CC leaders will be called to testify.
Guess the sooner this happens, the sooner this nightmare will end. PG and die hard supporters will get jittery and then perhaps out of panic, he might call CT for a mediation instead.
God is obviously working through his people and CT to rid His Church, His House of false teachers and Pastors.
Thanks for your comments, Anonymous April2, 3:38pm and do continue to help and guide CT in this case.
May God bless you...
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 5:04 PM
CC & CCC - POST PG ERA ACCOUNTS
It does not need to require an ace grade mathematician or expert researcher to accurately conclude that the CC during the POST PG ERA, would, in the highest probability, be saddled with huge debts and liabilities.
We anticipate with fear and anxiety alot of the unknown facts on the negative aspects of this mega project, so mis-appropriately called CCC - the same sound as "Die, die, die" in Hokkien dialect. Or the No. 4, 4, 4. Is this name purposely selected or unintentionally chosen ?
Humongous gaping holes are presently skilfully shrouded by the current CC leadership. The CC congregation,and the ontributing members of the public are purposely left in the dark about tge real horrible situation. Even the name and address of the principal contractor, who had taken over from Nam Fatt, (the previous principal contractor) was not disclosed to us. How professinally qualified are the replacement contractors ? What are their relevant working experience to qualify for this CCC mega peoject ? Whose fault was it, Nam Fatt's or CC or both for the delay and stppage of work ? Was there any form of compensation to CC or from CC ? If yes, how much were the amounts ? How much were disbursed / paid ? How much more are outstanding ? The other major questions bugging us concern the professional qualification and relevant working experience in the construction line of the project director - whether he, as the principal officer in charge, was able to make the right decisions, esp in this CCC multi million ringgit project, in the interests of CCC AND CC. Does or did the project director have the competency to handle tough decision making throughout the project periods ? The other question relates to the implementation of monetary recovery from third parties, who or which must, by law, pay back whatever is due to CCC and/or CC.
Last, but not lest, in whose name is the land title for CCC ? .... a multi million ringgit question, may we say ... ! Will this fact be disclosed, or are we again left in the dark to guess ?
CONGREGATION IN THE DARK
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 4:52 PM
Today, being the first Sunday of the month CC collected funds for the tsunami victims in Japan. It was announced by Ps Richard that the fund will be channeled through AOG Japan.
This jolted me. I remembered that Edward (correct me if I'm wrong) had stated that the funds to help victims of the Indonesian tsunami were parked in CIM's account because the Indonesian collection fund was closed and they do not who to give to. My question. CC claiming to be a fountainhead church and pride itself to be heavily involved in missions do not know any Christian bodies in Indonesia. Even though Indonesia is the biggest nation in the world, there are also many Christians. Edward gave such a flimsy excuse because I'm sure CC will be able to disperse the funds without delays if it had used it's resources. Where there's a will, there's a way. Edward took us for a ride! PG thinks he's superior and above all others and he can do whatever he wants according to his whims and fancies. Even if what Edward said is true, the money should be returned to CC and not parked in PG's personal ministry where the interest collected goes to him. This is a blatant manipulation and can be considered as conflict of interest because he is the "CEO" of CC. At that time, PG was riding high and it is very doubtful if any member even mentions it!
Fr CT2 @ April 3, 2011 11:47 PM
POST PG ERA = PART 2
Regarding the construction of the CCC mega complex, the other major nagging questions which require our (TTG, CC members, all concerned parties, public, etc) very urgent attention and earnest effort are :
QUESTION NO. 1
How sure are we that all parts of the building structures in the CCC mega project are constructed, and certified as safe, according to the HIGHEST SAFETY REQUIREMENTS in Malaysia, keeping in mind that the said project director, is, PG's son, who to the best of our knowledge and/or based on earlier public information and general understanding, is NOT a PROFESSIONALLY QUALIFIED and OFFICIALLY REGISTERED ENGINEER, ?
QUESTION NO. 2
Given the complex nature of managing and overseeing such a huge mega project like CCC, we seriously wonder :
On WHAT VALID BASIS (BASES), firm FUNDAMENTALS, and solid GROUNDS would JUSTIFY SELECTION OF SUCH A CANDIDATE, as PROJECT DIRECTOR - especially since such a person, to the best of our knowledge and understanding, based on his previous working life experience in the audio visual matters and other unrelated non engineering skills, allegedly DO NOT POSSESS the construction industry expected and required relevant number of years of PREVIOUS WORKING EXPERIENCE AS A PROJECT DIRECTOR ?
QUESTION NO. 3
Based on the general infortmaion that the CCC mega project runs into hundreds of millions ringgit, we can only conclude that lack of sufficient funds cannot be the real reasons why a PROFESSIONAL QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED PROJECT DIRECTOR from the construction industry was not employed to properly manage the day to day operations of such a complex series of structures, selection of support staff, supply of labour, workers quarters, work schedules, supply of materials, stockpiles, costings, govt rules and regulations, market conditions, work site security, work site safety, etc.
WHY was such a professionally and experienced PROJECT DIRECTOR NOT employed ?
QUESTION NO. 4
Given the 2013 deadline for the International Convention at CCC as the prestiguous venue, how do we go about checking to minimise any POSSIBLTY / PROBABILITY of contractors and/or their workers do not cut corners or that they do not POSSIBLY / PROBABLY try to shortchange on quantity, quality and sprcifications, etc of construction materials in the CCC mega project ?
Certainly there are many other questions that come to your minds. Please share with us in the CT blogs.
PG'S DEAFENING SILENCE ON CCC MATTERS
Fr CT2 @ April 4, 2011 9:44 AM
In reply to Congregation in the Dark - the CCC land is held in the name of three trustees in trust for Calvary Church. The three trustees include PG. However,one of the trustee had been reclassified from voting member to associate. According to the constitution a trustee must be a voting member. Therefore this trustee is not in compliance to the constitution and therefore illegal. I wonder if the banks lending CC the money know about this? Their charge on the land and properties may not be valid.
Fr CT2 @ April 4, 2011 9:54 AM
The freemason architect so appointed by PG will ISSUE the "Certificate of Fitness " for CCC if it is ever completed ! I sincerely doubt it will be completed at all.
Fr CT2 @ April 4, 2011 12:50 PM
BREAKING THE LAW
We understand that if any architect were to KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY falsify a Certificate of Fitness, against set rules and regulations, we believe, he would be hauled up for questioning. Not to mention, his professional career and personal name might be ruined in the eyes of the public, if proven guilty. We trust all law breakers should be punished for their crimes, once proven guilty.
Therefore, it is not so easy as blogged by Anonymous April 4 12.50 pm. Plus we find the song lyrics meaningful, "We will be watching you. Every move you make. Every step you take.".
Fr CT2 @ April 6, 2011 4:27 PM
Further to Anonymous April 4, 9:44a.m.
PG's son, Jim, who was appointed as the Project Director for CCC is totally not fit to be in this position. As mentioned, he is not a professional engineer nor a registered engineer. What technical knowledge or experience has he got in the construction industry? Yeah. He knows how to buy high quality microphones like Radio Shack without local after sales support and replaced the TV's in the sanctuary with flat screen TV's. Does he know what is the difference between grey PVC pipes and white PVC pipes? I doubt it. Can he read engineering drawings?
And where is bro. Han? He had put up beautiful charts on two occasions - for the building pledge in CC and also at Sime Darby convention centre. But he fell flat on his nose on both occasions considering the amount that was pledged against his projections. He was immersed in this project from day one. I heard that he is a qualified civil engineer. If this is so, he should know the implications in appointing an unqualified person as a Project Director. Did he speak out? Maybe he had lost his voice or left his brains outside the door whenever he sees PG regarding CCC. Another clear case of yes-man. To be a deacon for the glory and fame in CC only.
This is nepotism at it's best. Everyone can see that it's such a blatant action on the part of PG appointing Jim to this position. Then when CCC is completed, Jim may be appointed as the Executive Director of CCC with a big fat allowance. Nepotism may raise its ugly head again if PG offers the furnishings job to his daughter, Pam.
Looks like the G dynasty is firmly entrenched in CC.
Btw I am technical person. I attend site meetings and production meetings. I can imagine Jim at the site meetings. He will quiet as a church mouse and cannot comprehend what is going on. Probably playing with his fingers.
Fr CT2 @ April 6, 2011 6:24 PM
To say that I am shocked to learn that PG did not turn up at the court mediation is an understatement. Has he not have any respect for the court and fellow human beings. Is his blood blue unlike we who have red blood?
What is sad is that the assoc. pastors, leaders and supporters still fail to see that he has respect for others and he is NOT a man of his words. The Chinese has a saying that "one's words is as valuable as gold". Such arrogance!!! It's time the abovementioned parties put on their thinking caps and be discerning. Oh well, this is just a hope because these peoples have been brainwashed and eat out of his fingers. they are beyond redemption. Pray for them to wake up from their slumber and see the reality.
Fr CT2 @ April 7, 2011 1:05 AM
WHY WE DONT HAVE A PASTOR
We used to be part of AOG many years ago,but a group of us decided to leave- but the Lord has been good and had blessed us abundantly in every way and we have grown as a church- spiritually, financially,many new borns,both physical and spiritual.On hindsight we did the right thing.
We left bacause it was obvious that the Pastor did not have a calling to be a Pastor. He did not visit the sick or care about the poor, likes to spend time with the youth(ladies, of course)-he was lazy to say the least.No interest in Books.Has a Diploma in Theology but talks like an expert on many subjects- including international politics. He could preach quite well on Sundays- but sermons had no substance.Comes to work when he likes, and if he is "Not feeling well" he stays at home or walks about some shopping complex while on MC.Nobody could talk to him as he will have the final say with his many Bible verses and is very sly in degrading other ministers whom he has fallen out with.To put it simply,we felt that he continues preaching because he cannot survive in the real world.In the world you must "work" to earn your bread- but in the church it was downright easy for him- does not have to report to anyone.He is the boss and king.
I feel CC is in the same position.The preacher is exploiting the dump sheep.No offence here-its time to give him the boots.The church should be like a family- One for all- and all for one- where we are leda nd ministered by God fearing people.When its ridden with downright lies and lack of accountability- and starts behaving in a hurtfulway way towards other Christians-then it becomes syaitans playground. Only a fool would be swayed by his words and sermons now. Praying for all of you who groan inwardly because you cant stand up to this super preacher.
The wheels of God's justice may turn slowly, but it grinds so surely.
Fr CT2 @ April 7, 2011 4:58 PM
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