Any AGM News said...
Calvary Today,
Please let us know what happened at AGM last night. We have been reclassified to inactive members list so not allowed to attend AGM.
We have been praying for God's intervention to happen... and trusting that God is working something beyond our imagination!
We have been praying for God's intervention to happen... and trusting that God is working something beyond our imagination!
October 2, 2010 11:06 AM
CT's Reply.
We are in the midst of collecting information from various people who attended the AGM last night and will put out a report as soon as possible, as the Administrators of CT were also among the 400 members who were reclassified and therefore were unable to attend last night's AGM.
We would most likely be able to put out a report sometime next week.
Meanwhile, tomorrow being the Lord's Day, let us be found in the Lord's house to give Him due praise, honor and worship with all of our hearts.
God Bless
Bamboo Conspiracy said...
ADULLAM'S CAVE: A PLACE OF ISOLATION FOR A REVELATION.
Dear TTG, - ‘rejected but not forgotten’
To David, the cave of Adullam was a symbol of rejection. He had been rejected by his family and he was in constant danger in the royal court. The only save place for him and his followers was a dark, lonely cave.
Moses too was rejected by his people and had to hide in the ‘backside of the desert’. Read church history and know that the path of rejection is the high road to untold blessings.
TTG too now has been ‘rejected’ by the present leadership ……………. But we too like you KNOW that “God is working something beyond our imagination!”
It is beyond my comprehension how leadership can be so cruel and remove members from the Church registry but it has happened MANY TIMES! My wife and I could not imagine the church we had once served so faithfully many years ago could throw us out. But it happened and YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT IT WAS THE LORD WHO HAD HARDENED THE HEARTS OF THE LEADERSHIP TO REMOVE YOU FROM THE MEMBERSHIP. What HE does now you will not understand BUT later you will.
WE THANK THE LORD DAILY THAT HE CAUSED THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR PREVIOUS CHURCH TO REJECT US. WE NEVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED THE UNTOLD BLESSINGS THAT THE LORD HAS PREPARED FOR US WHEN WE WERE REMOVED.
LIKEWISE – TTG – LIKE DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ETC. YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY MEN BUT NOT BY GOD. THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BUILDING - YOU ARE THE CHURCH AND LIKE DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ETC. HE WILL RESTORE THE CHURCH TO THE RIGHTFUL PLACE.
DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ALL WERE RETURNED TO THE VERY PLACE THEY WERE REJECTED. YOU ARE NOT CALLED TO START ANOTHER CALVARY CHURCH. YOU ARE TO TRUST THE LORD TO RETURN YOU TO THE VERY CHURCH THAT HAS NOW REMOVED YOU. DAVID DID NOT START ANOTHER KINGDOM. GOD REJECTED SAUL AND DAVID BECAME KING. GOD REMOVED PHAROAH AND MOSES BECAME THEIR LEADER.
DO NOT LOOSE HEART BUT REJOICE FOR THE LORD HAS UNTOLD BLESSINGS FOR YOU. YOU WILL ONE DAY LOOK BACK AND THANK THE LORD FOR THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU WILL WALK ONE DAY WITH YOUR HEADS HELD UP HIGH AND SEE THE SPOILS OF YOUR LABOUR. YOUR WORK IS NOT IN VAIN. THEY WHO REJECTED YOU WILL ONE DAY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GOD WAS ON YOUR SIDE BUT THEY DID NOT SEE IT. MANY OF YOUR ENEMIES WILL REPEANT AND ASK YOUR FORGIVENESS BUT OTHERS WILL BE LOST FOREVER.
God always will allow certain situations to knock us out of your comfort zones in order for Him to reposition us for the Prophetic place of DESTINY.
REJOICE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHOSE NAMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM CALVARY CHURCH. YOU ARE ALL DESTINED FOR GREATER WORKS. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BUT REJOICE AND SING PRAISES TO THE LORD. MY WIFE AND I SHARE THIS FROM EXPERIENCE. EVERY DARK DAYS OF OUR LIVES, EVERY DISAPPOINTMENT, EVERY FRIEND WHO HAD BETRAYED US – ALL WE THANK THE LORD BECAUSE OUT OF THE DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL –GOD HAD PREPARED A TABLE OF UNTOLD BLESSINGS IN THE WILDERNESS IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR ENEMIES!
THE SECRET IS NOT YOUR FAITH BUT THE FAITH OF GOD. IT IS HIS FAITH THAT WILL DELIVER YOU. TO THE PRESENT LEADERSHIP, THEY THINK YOUR FOOTPRINTS IN THE SANDS OF CALVARY CHURCH ARE GONE FOREVER. BUT THEY FORGET IT IS ONLY BECAUSE GOD IS NOW CARRYING YOU. IT IS HIS FAITH THAT WILL SUSTAIN YOU PROVIDED YOU BELIEVE IN GOD AND NOT YOURSELF. ONE DAY YOUR FOOTPRINTS WILL RETURN!
PS. I HAVE NO FAITH IN MY FAITH. I LIVE BY THE FAITH OF GOD.
Vijay
Dear TTG, - ‘rejected but not forgotten’
To David, the cave of Adullam was a symbol of rejection. He had been rejected by his family and he was in constant danger in the royal court. The only save place for him and his followers was a dark, lonely cave.
Moses too was rejected by his people and had to hide in the ‘backside of the desert’. Read church history and know that the path of rejection is the high road to untold blessings.
TTG too now has been ‘rejected’ by the present leadership ……………. But we too like you KNOW that “God is working something beyond our imagination!”
It is beyond my comprehension how leadership can be so cruel and remove members from the Church registry but it has happened MANY TIMES! My wife and I could not imagine the church we had once served so faithfully many years ago could throw us out. But it happened and YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT IT WAS THE LORD WHO HAD HARDENED THE HEARTS OF THE LEADERSHIP TO REMOVE YOU FROM THE MEMBERSHIP. What HE does now you will not understand BUT later you will.
WE THANK THE LORD DAILY THAT HE CAUSED THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR PREVIOUS CHURCH TO REJECT US. WE NEVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED THE UNTOLD BLESSINGS THAT THE LORD HAS PREPARED FOR US WHEN WE WERE REMOVED.
LIKEWISE – TTG – LIKE DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ETC. YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY MEN BUT NOT BY GOD. THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BUILDING - YOU ARE THE CHURCH AND LIKE DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ETC. HE WILL RESTORE THE CHURCH TO THE RIGHTFUL PLACE.
DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ALL WERE RETURNED TO THE VERY PLACE THEY WERE REJECTED. YOU ARE NOT CALLED TO START ANOTHER CALVARY CHURCH. YOU ARE TO TRUST THE LORD TO RETURN YOU TO THE VERY CHURCH THAT HAS NOW REMOVED YOU. DAVID DID NOT START ANOTHER KINGDOM. GOD REJECTED SAUL AND DAVID BECAME KING. GOD REMOVED PHAROAH AND MOSES BECAME THEIR LEADER.
DO NOT LOOSE HEART BUT REJOICE FOR THE LORD HAS UNTOLD BLESSINGS FOR YOU. YOU WILL ONE DAY LOOK BACK AND THANK THE LORD FOR THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU WILL WALK ONE DAY WITH YOUR HEADS HELD UP HIGH AND SEE THE SPOILS OF YOUR LABOUR. YOUR WORK IS NOT IN VAIN. THEY WHO REJECTED YOU WILL ONE DAY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GOD WAS ON YOUR SIDE BUT THEY DID NOT SEE IT. MANY OF YOUR ENEMIES WILL REPEANT AND ASK YOUR FORGIVENESS BUT OTHERS WILL BE LOST FOREVER.
God always will allow certain situations to knock us out of your comfort zones in order for Him to reposition us for the Prophetic place of DESTINY.
REJOICE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHOSE NAMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM CALVARY CHURCH. YOU ARE ALL DESTINED FOR GREATER WORKS. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BUT REJOICE AND SING PRAISES TO THE LORD. MY WIFE AND I SHARE THIS FROM EXPERIENCE. EVERY DARK DAYS OF OUR LIVES, EVERY DISAPPOINTMENT, EVERY FRIEND WHO HAD BETRAYED US – ALL WE THANK THE LORD BECAUSE OUT OF THE DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL –GOD HAD PREPARED A TABLE OF UNTOLD BLESSINGS IN THE WILDERNESS IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR ENEMIES!
THE SECRET IS NOT YOUR FAITH BUT THE FAITH OF GOD. IT IS HIS FAITH THAT WILL DELIVER YOU. TO THE PRESENT LEADERSHIP, THEY THINK YOUR FOOTPRINTS IN THE SANDS OF CALVARY CHURCH ARE GONE FOREVER. BUT THEY FORGET IT IS ONLY BECAUSE GOD IS NOW CARRYING YOU. IT IS HIS FAITH THAT WILL SUSTAIN YOU PROVIDED YOU BELIEVE IN GOD AND NOT YOURSELF. ONE DAY YOUR FOOTPRINTS WILL RETURN!
PS. I HAVE NO FAITH IN MY FAITH. I LIVE BY THE FAITH OF GOD.
Vijay
October 3, 2010 7:44 AM
22 comments:
CCC is due for completion in 2013 provided additional funding request is approved via an upcoming EGM and another 30+ million are raised.
October 2, 2010 8:05 PM
ADULLAM'S CAVE: A PLACE OF ISOLATION FOR A REVELATION.
Dear TTG, - ‘rejected but not forgotten’
To David, the cave of Adullam was a symbol of rejection. He had been rejected by his family and he was in constant danger in the royal court. The only save place for him and his followers was a dark, lonely cave.
Moses too was rejected by his people and had to hide in the ‘backside of the desert’. Read church history and know that the path of rejection is the high road to untold blessings.
TTG too now has been ‘rejected’ by the present leadership ……………. But we too like you KNOW that “God is working something beyond our imagination!”
It is beyond my comprehension how leadership can be so cruel and remove members from the Church registry but it has happened MANY TIMES! My wife and I could not imagine the church we had once served so faithfully many years ago could throw us out. But it happened and YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT IT WAS THE LORD WHO HAD HARDENED THE HEARTS OF THE LEADERSHIP TO REMOVE YOU FROM THE MEMBERSHIP. What HE does now you will not understand BUT later you will.
WE THANK THE LORD DAILY THAT HE CAUSED THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR PREVIOUS CHURCH TO REJECT US. WE NEVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED THE UNTOLD BLESSINGS THAT THE LORD HAS PREPARED FOR US WHEN WE WERE REMOVED.
LIKEWISE – TTG – LIKE DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ETC. YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY MEN BUT NOT BY GOD. THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BUILDING - YOU ARE THE CHURCH AND LIKE DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ETC. HE WILL RESTORE THE CHURCH TO THE RIGHTFUL PLACE.
DAVID, MOSES, PAUL ALL WERE RETURNED TO THE VERY PLACE THEY WERE REJECTED. YOU ARE NOT CALLED TO START ANOTHER CALVARY CHURCH. YOU ARE TO TRUST THE LORD TO RETURN YOU TO THE VERY CHURCH THAT HAS NOW REMOVED YOU. DAVID DID NOT START ANOTHER KINGDOM. GOD REJECTED SAUL AND DAVID BECAME KING. GOD REMOVED PHAROAH AND MOSES BECAME THEIR LEADER.
DO NOT LOOSE HEART BUT REJOICE FOR THE LORD HAS UNTOLD BLESSINGS FOR YOU. YOU WILL ONE DAY LOOK BACK AND THANK THE LORD FOR THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU WILL WALK ONE DAY WITH YOUR HEADS HELD UP HIGH AND SEE THE SPOILS OF YOUR LABOUR. YOUR WORK IS NOT IN VAIN. THEY WHO REJECTED YOU WILL ONE DAY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GOD WAS ON YOUR SIDE BUT THEY DID NOT SEE IT. MANY OF YOUR ENEMIES WILL REPENT AND ASK YOUR FORGIVENESS BUT OTHERS WILL BE LOST FOREVER.
God always will allow certain situations to knock us out of your comfort zones in order for Him to reposition us for the Prophetic place of DESTINY.
REJOICE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHOSE NAMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM CALVARY CHURCH. YOU ARE ALL DESTINED FOR GREATER WORKS. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BUT REJOICE AND SING PRAISES TO THE LORD. MY WIFE AND I SHARE THIS FROM EXPERIENCE. EVERY DARK DAYS OF OUR LIVES, EVERY DISAPPOINTMENT, EVERY FRIEND WHO HAD BETRAYED US – ALL WE THANK THE LORD BECAUSE OUT OF THE DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL –GOD HAD PREPARED A TABLE OF UNTOLD BLESSINGS IN THE WILDERNESS IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR ENEMIES!
THE SECRET IS NOT YOUR FAITH BUT THE FAITH OF GOD. IT IS HIS FAITH THAT WILL DELIVER YOU. TO THE PRESENT LEADERSHIP, THEY THINK YOUR FOOTPRINTS IN THE SANDS OF CALVARY CHURCH ARE GONE FOREVER. BUT THEY FORGET IT IS ONLY BECAUSE GOD IS NOW CARRYING YOU. IT IS HIS FAITH THAT WILL SUSTAIN YOU PROVIDED YOU BELIEVE IN GOD AND NOT YOURSELF. ONE DAY YOUR FOOTPRINTS WILL RETURN!
PS. I HAVE NO FAITH IN MY FAITH. I LIVE BY THE FAITH OF GOD.
Vijay
October 3, 2010 7:44 AM
CCC was conceived, initiated and mooted almost ten years ago and now it has to be another 3 years before it can be completed. One wonders really is it God's plan or is it one man's plan, to be realised at all costs?
There is a Chinese saying "moh tay hang" it is an endless pit that one has to throw in but it can't be filled that is, a bottomless pit!
CC members better wise up and review what should be done rather than follow as blind and mindless people... don't leave your brains outside at the entrance of church as one speaker puts it.
October 3, 2010 9:02 AM
Brother Vijay
Indeed I am very encouraged by your words of wisdom on the blog.
I was removed - the most hurting thing is that none of the pastors who know me bother to call to find out why I did not attend church for 2 months before they removed me on wrongful grounds. It does not occur to them that I could be sick, discouraged or incapable for one reason or another to attend church!! I have been an active member even before PG stepped into the church.
On looking back by their removing me paved the way for me to attend another church to get the spiritual food and encouragement from pastors who care and love their sheep. This is a big contrast!!!
This exodus is good for me but when cc is cleansed and if the Lord calls, I think many of us may return to worship in cc. Possibly we will be better equipped to serve once again. The Lord may call us from different 'corners' back to cc.
CC belongs to the Lord!!!
October 4, 2010 12:12 AM
Calvary Church will be declared bankrupt in due time! TOTT will bring PGs & die hard supporters to their knees! It will come to pass!
October 4, 2010 12:28 AM
calvary church will soon be converted to #@*??# supporters church, looking at all those supporters sitting surrounding him right in front and yelling and screaming in the AGM on Friday night, I 'kesian' the 5 TTG members who were in the AGM being 'booed' and humiliated, their mic were turn off and being made to 'raised their voice without the mic to present their questions! being interrupted, intimidated and etc....
I also observed the 'abuse and treatment' by the Chairman who is the Senior Pastor himself. O, have mercy Lord for these groups of #@*??# of PG supporters, so..so.. blind and stupid.... Well, everything seemed to get worse compared to 3 years ago, I envisage more and more voting members and associate members will leave the church soon and leaving the 'rojak busuk' in the church! and for those who still faithfully supporting PG and 'rojak busuk', I pray God will be faithful to you even though you are faithful to the man.
October 4, 2010 12:42 AM
Dear White Sheep.
You need not fret or even try to figure out how the Lord will work things out for you. Having walked with the Lord for more than 20 years I have come to know the ways of God.
1. We always think we must do our best to hold on to God. But actually the reverse is true. GOD IS HOLDING ON TO YOU AND HE WILL NOT LET YOU GO. Trust me on this! Even when I wanted to run away from God because I was so fed up with Him and even mad with Him for my circumstances HE DID NOT LET GO OF MY HANDS EVEN THOUGH I TRIED TO PUSH HIM AWAY! In His time He brought me beside still waters.
We are precious to HIM. He DIED for us. Do you think HE is going to let us go because of our sins, our failures etc. Know that HIS blood has washed away all our sins and it is available for potential future sins! His SPIRIT in UNION with our spirit will cause us to walk rightly and enable us to overcome potential sins. Even if we fall a thousand times, His blood will wash our sins provided we REPENT and do not lose OUR FAITH IN HIM. Remember ONLY we see TIME. God sees no TIME and HE sees us PERFECT in CHRIST in eternity.
2. We have not been taught correctly how to know the will of God. We often think we must find God's will. Which church to attend, who to marry, where to work etc? The fact is the WILL OF GOD GROWS ON YOU. WHERE YOU ARE NOW IS HIS WILL FOR THE PRESENT TIME. We must trust the Lord to know that if something was not His will - He will close that door. If you are now in a different church - it is His will for you to be there – otherwise you will not be there! He will show you the next direction at the appropriate time. If you are one of those who wish to stay and continue to worship in Calvary and be faithful to Him there - that is the will of God for you. If you are part of the TTG - that is the will of God for you. He calls each of us according to His purposes and our spiritual maturity – whether we are CHILD, YOUTH or FATHER. A CHILD depends on another to protect him; a YOUTH explores to find out who he is. A FATHER protects the CHILD and the YOUTH and fights for Transparency, Truth and Good Governance. Which stage we are depends on the Lord’s calling and how much we are willing to COOPERATE with Him to destroy the work of the enemy.
We waste much energy trying to figure out the will of God. Be faithful and HE WILL SHOW YOU. It is the double-minded person who misses His will. If you are single-minded and ONLY WANT TO KNOW HIM - He will direct your path. He may take you into the valley of trouble to teach you and He will also take you to the high mountain tops to bless you. Both the valley and the mountain top experiences are to MATURE you to become FATHERS so that you are able to BLESS OTHERS. The word LOVE means – I AM HERE TO BLESS OTHERS! The secret is to WAIT on the Lord and redeem your time faithfully for His kingdom and HE WILL GROW HIS WILL ON YOU.
Every major event in my life – where I should study, whether I should go to the university, the degrees I should take (or not), marriage, career, ministry etc all just turned up at the Lord’s timing. Looking back I wasted much time finding the will of God. I now don’t try to find the will of God because the WILL OF GOD WILL FIND ME!
Enter His Rest! Know the Rest of Faith!
Vijay
October 4, 2010 8:29 AM
As I sat at the AGM, I thought to myself, "If only..". Yes, if only people would start recognizing that it's Stewardship Day and we're all stewards of God's resources in the body of Christ. As stewards, we should also care about what's happened to the members of Christ's body. It's an excuse for the church to say that a member is "inactive". They define "inactive" in relation to attendance or the reputation of one in the church which indeed is wrong. Jesus specifically tell us to care for His sheep. If one goes wayward or backslide, we should find out, we should talk to the person, we should counsel and pray for the person. Did CC take all these measures before terminating someone's membership?
I remember leaving my first church. I told the pastor that I'm leaving town for work purposes. He told me that the church will keep my membership until I've decided to transfer out. In fact, they kept my membership for about 10 years! That's cause it took me 10 years to actually decide on becoming a member of Calvary Church. People don't make overnight decisions to join a church. Some people like me take so long to decide.
So when I sat in the AGM last Friday and heard brother Sam's sharing about his wife's removal, I was devastated. I was moved to tears. Why did the church go to that extent? I don't care about the reasons they give. I care about the life of a sister. In fact, if the husband is a member of the church, the whole family should be members of the same church unless the church is trying to disunite the members of the family. I was at the registration desk at last year's AGM and I overheard this young sister saying that her father is left outside while she and her mother are separated in their seating because one of them is changed to associate member while the other retained voting rights. So 3 members of one family separated.
I look upon some of the faces of PG's supporters and it brought me to the point of the cross when Jesus told the Father that they know not what they're doing. I wasn't angry but I was very sad for them who are fools, deceived to think they're doing something right by supporting a wrong cause.
In an AGM, members should be allowed to talk or ask any questions pertaining to the church. To challenge what the church does is also a start to transformation. Radical transformation cannot take place if microphones are turned off and people are asked not to challenge the system. Hear them out. Give them a chance to speak even if it means they want to yell or get angry or express themselves emotionally. Though we need to put the house in order, remember that Jesus came to earth because He loves us. He died on the cross because He loves us. Love should be stronger than order. I believe love is able to overcome chaos and put things in the right perspective.
I've asked some of CC's loyal compatriots what they think of CT blog. They told me that their LG leaders have warned them not to visit CT, not to be "poisoned" by evil people, and they react to TTG's cause as if it's some kind of satanic movement.
I think everyone has a right to their own decision. I leave these people to their own folly. However, I will continue to pray like never before. Remember this song?
"Spirit, touch your church, stir the hearts of men, Revive us Lord with your passion once again. I want to care for others like Jesus cares for me. Let your rain fall upon me."
Revival starts with caring for one another. If CC can't even are for its members, we don't have to doubt who's wrong or right anymore.
October 4, 2010 10:18 AM
I believe that at one of the Life Group Leaders' session, a video of Bill Hybels sharing on leadership was shown. At the end of his sharing/teaching, he made this point that basically after all that's said and done, God is intersted only in ONE thing and that is PEOPLE. How true! If this is not the focus of the church, then any so called "vision from God" is empty, any declaration that we are obeying the "will of God" is simply meaningless since if the focus is not on people, its unlikely that this is from the heart of God!
Permission to use extract from Calvary Today.
Dear Calvary Today and Bro or Sis who wrote the following:
"In an AGM, members should be allowed to talk or ask any questions pertaining to the church. To challenge what the church does is also a start to transformation. Radical transformation cannot take place if microphones are turned off and people are asked not to challenge the system."
I have been invited to write an article on "tranparency" for a local Christian magazine. I wish to quote the above extract and seek the kind permission of CT and the blogger to use it because it is a classic example of lack of transparency in a church.
Vijay
PS - I seek your prayers that the article on transaprency will be published without key points edited out as it is a "transparent" article speaking TRUTH with LOVE! Please note that although I would love to say the extract is from CT, however, I may not be able to other than mention it is from a "local Christian blog".
Am I correct that the AGM was held on Saturday 1st October 2010?
October 4, 2010 1:39 PM
Dear Bro Vijay,
I'm the sister who wrote the comment from - Anonymous October 4, 2010 10:18 AM.
Yes, you may use the "excerpt" of the comment above. I wish you all the best in conveying the message of Truth and Transparency in your article.
October 4, 2010 3:25 PM
Bro Vijay,
You have CT Administrators' permission to quote any part of any articles that is found in CT that you find helpful to you in your writing the article on Transparency.
Our prayers are with you, that God will use you to pen words that will cause change in our Christian community.
Shalom!
'speak the truth in love'. something the ttg and most individuals who have left comments on this blog have failed to do.
October 5, 2010 2:09 AM
If you were at the AGM last friday then you will know who really "speak the truth in love". I hope CT managed to get a recording of the AGM. Let those who were not there listen to how the senior pastor of Calvary Church speak to the members and everyone can judge for themselves who "speak the truth in love" or not.
Church abuse is nothing new. I have had my share of them.But what is saddening is this- how can a man stand up there in Jesus Name and instead of preaching- run others down.It seems as though "if you dont support us, then you can get out"mentality.Or they sound righteous from behind the pulpit, but get to know them on a personal basis-then the negative comment on others begins.CC in axing its own members- is proof beyond reasonable doubt that its current leadership is backslidden.
The Other Vijay
I was also there. SP was hard but then if he was not the meeting would have degenerated into something uglier. I think the AGM went pretty well. But having said this, the overall problem of the church behaving like a corporation and not people-centric remains and for this, the responsibility and "blame" falls squarely on the SP.
To Annonymous of 5 October 2.09 am.
I rather have someone speaking the truth whether in love or out of frustation and anger anytime than someone lying and hide the truth to protect out of misguided love.
Speak the truth and shame the Devil.
TTG and CT, you have my support and respect for daring to speak truth even if it hurts. Well done!!
October 5, 2010 3:04 PM
Yes I was there also. It is so disgraceful for our Pastor to act the way he did. Pray that the Lord will convict him that he is not walking the talk, not showing grace, love, empathy - in other words "he lost his testimony for the Lord at the AGM!!!"
Minutes should always reflect what happened at the meeting and if there has to be amendments, it is not the practice to alter the previous minutes. At the next meeting an amendment to the previous minutes should be tabled. Unfortunately with this practice CC is practicing it will show that there were no objections or amendments at any meeting. It also shows that they can alter minutes to their liking???
October 5, 2010 4:42 PM
Hey TTG ...
You've kept up this charade for 3 years now. No one in authority is willing to support your cause - The Board of Deacons, The Assemblies of God Malaysia and International; AND now ... The Kuala Lumpur high Court.
Why So Long?
Its time to ride into the sunset with your tail between your legs. Save yourselves the embarrassment.
Why is it taking you so long to prove your case?
Why So Long?
October 5, 2010 4:47 PM
We have all the time in the world to slowly do the tango with PG and the BOD.
Like I said before, we don't need the church to pay us salary. Now we got plenty of savings because we don't give Faith promise, Building fund pledge, Leap here leap there fund. No need to buy concert ticket or fly overseas to play golf. So much savings.
We have no worries. No need to raise millions to build our dream house. We are comfortable with our small home.
We got out now and then to have a good meal with friends, chat over the CC saga otherwise nothing to talk about among Christians. We fly overseas for holiday even Air Asia is ok for us. So why should we give up so easily.
TTG bros & sis, don't give up. Many of us are behind you all the way.
Why so long? Why not so long? To me the longer the better. Otherwise we got nothing to chat about when we meet old friends.
October 5, 2010 7:56 PM
True, the behaviour of the church leadership is no different from what you see in a corporation embroiled in political battles. SP and BOD should represent the best of us. Instead I think Edward has shown through his conduct, a Christlikeness example worth following than our SP.
October 6, 2010 8:25 AM
Joshua 5:13-14
And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
"Neither one," he replied. "I am the commander of the LORD's army." At this, Joshua fell with his face to the ground in reverence. "I am at your command," Joshua said. "What do you want your servant to do?"
The Commander replies, "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy."
The Commander's words are nearly identical to those of Yahweh to Moses out of the burning bush a full forty years before (Exodus 3:5). The Commander is none other than the God himself. God the Warrior.
And why does he answer, "Neither"? Isn't he for the cause of Israel's army? No. Israel's army must be enlisted in his cause. He is the Commander, not they. When things are difficult we wonder, "Is God on my side?" Wrong question. "Am I on God's side?" is the appropriate question.
God is a mighty Warrior who will judge righteously and punish wrong. If we believe that since God is love he can never punish the wicked, then our Bible reading is narrow indeed. He is mighty. And his mere presence is enough to win the battle, for the "battle is the LORD'S"
Dear Bros/Sis, let's exercise care to be on God's side.
October 6, 2010 8:37 AM
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