Thursday, June 7, 2012

The Annual General Meeting (AGM) of Calvary Church held recently on 25 May 2012 was a tame affair in the absence of the 7 concerned TTG members, who have been removed from the Church Membership for the second time.


The Membership Roll

The remnant 7 TTG members who had, a few years earlier filed a Suit against Senior Pastor Prince Guneratnam (PG) and his Board of Deacons on various Church Constitutional matters after the exposure of questionable transfers of Church funds to PG’s Personal Ministry’s Bank Accounts, had their membership reinstated by the Court during the course of legal process.

The 7 members do not know exactly when their memberships were removed this second time around but it is believed that it was done after the 2011 AGM. As with the sacking of the 400+ members in 2010, no reason was given for their removal and neither were any of the 7 members notified of their removal.

The entire episode of the crisis in the Church would have put most pastors to shame and humbled them but alas, PG has remained steadfast in his pride and arrogance. This arbitrary and unconstitutional act of removing Church membership without cause or reason is a classic example of PG’s continued high-handedness.

A total of 439 Voting Members attended the recent AGM. All the usual AGM items on the Agenda were considered and approved by the members without much fanfare.

Three (3) deacons, namely Stephen Liu, Chow Sang Hoe and Puan Chek Keck were elected at the AGM. Stephen Liu and Chow Sang Hoe were seeking re-election while Puan Chek Kuan was a first time elected Deacon. He replaces Edward Rajasingam, who did not wish to seek re-election, citing his job posting overseas as the reason. The other 4 existing deacons are David Peter, Ngeow Zoo Gin, Helen Read and Bernadette Foo.


Church Treasurer's Report

Deacon Bro Edward, in his report as the Church Treasurer, mentioned that the Church Income went up in 2011 compared to 2010. The Tithes went up 10% from RM5.30m to RM6.09 while Contributions to Building Fund went up 40% from RM4.58m to RM8.39m. He alluded the big increase of RM3.81m in Contributions to Building Fund to the “congregation rising in faith, Journey to Jerusalem trips and other fund raising activities” without furnishing the full details.

On close scrutiny of the Annual Report, Missions Report and Financial Report of the Extended Ministries, it is clear that out of the RM3.81m increase, a total of  RM2,122,836 was actually from Internal Fund Transfers, as listed below :

1) RM765,310 was transferred from Calvary Communication Ministry’s accumulated funds, 
2) RM1,357,526 was transferred from Missions Funds which is from Faith Promise offerings received.

The main purpose for the Internal Transfers was most likely to shore up the Income of the Church so that the Church’s capacity to borrow is not affected as the Church continues to seek further loans to complete the Calvary Convention Centre (CCC).


Legal & Professional Fees

During question time, a member queried about the expenses of RM100,000 in the accounts classified as “Legal & Professional Fees”. Bro Edward explained that it was a lump sum fees paid to the lawyer engaged by the Church for a Court case that the Church was involved in.

Bro Edward did not clarify the fact that the “court case the Church was involved in” was actually the legal suit filed by the 7 concerned members against PG and the Deacons in their personal capacity. Since the legal suit was not against the Church, it is a misrepresentation to state that it was a “court case that the Church was involved in”.

Since the case is not against the Church, the legal fees should have been borne by PG and the Deacons personally and not paid from Church funds. This is a clear abuse or misuse of Church funds by PG and the Deacons and maybe grounds for a case for CBT.


Church Auditors' expressed "Emphasis of Matter"

Another member, Bro Samuel expressed his concern about the Church Auditors, Baker Tilly Monteiro Heng’s ‘Emphasis of Matter” opinion in the audited accounts, wherein they expressed their concern that whilst the Church has contracted capital expenditure of RM101,067,886 in relation to the construction of Calvary Convention Centre (CCC) as at 31st December 2011, the total balance of the church’s fixed deposits and bank balances is only RM9,388,744.

PG responded that “if everyone of us plays our part….. we won’t need to worry about finances” and promptly told Bro Samuel to make sure his Tithes and offering are coming in.


Other Matters

The meeting continued with a short presentation on the CCC by Deacon Bro Zoo Gin. After that, Pastor David and Pastor Richard presented the Church’s growth plan and their goal and vision as a fountain-head church to achieve a life group membership of 25,600 with 2,880 life group cells by year 2017.

The last item on the AGM Agenda was the tabling of Resolutions for appointment of Auditors and for ratification of the Resolution pertaining to the Dispute Resolution Provision, earlier tabled at the previous AGM on 27 June 2011. This Resolution was originally approved by the members at the AGM last year but was subsequently rejected by the AG Malaysia, following a complaint of non-compliance of Church Constitution filed by one of the concerned members, Sis Liza. The Resolutions were approved.


Listen to the audio clip highlighting some questions and responses during the AGM.






Coming article in July: Is PG planning his escape?

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

"..the 7 concerned TTG members.." can proceed to file a Contempt of Court proceeding against the Board of Deacon of Calvary Church !

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 7, 2012 9:50 AM

Anonymous said...

"RM1,357,526 was transferred from Missions Funds which is from Faith Promise offerings received."

Does this mean that missions programmes are now affected, and that all the Faith promises made by calvarites towards this purpose are being manipulated?!

Bear in mind, such monies are the hard earned sacrifices made in Good Faith and solemn promises upkept by calvarites towards Missions. We did not initially pledge money for the purpose of building fund!

Dear Deacons and Board Members, where is the governance for all this?

Anonymous said...

A few days ago it was reported in the Metro
(Malay Newspaper)and the front page carried a picture of Hosni Mubarak waiting in a jail cell!!! There are unbelievable things happening in the M.E.-Strong willed and obstinate leaders being investigated, found guilty and thrown into a jail cell.

Which brings SP into the spotlight.Lets not listen to their many explanations as to their innocence. Lets us look at the facts before us.

1. Has SP offered himself to be investigated in reference to the allegations against him?
2. Who are the people running the business at CC's premises?
3.How was he able to live like a tycoon in a rich man's area?
4. Where did the money come from?
5. How come his position is specifically protected in the CC constitution?
6. He claims he is not an employee. What about the other pastoral staff?
7. He appears to be a dictator. Who does he personally report to?
8.Why is the pastoral salary all lumped up together?Is SP hiding his big fat salary by mixing it with the other pastors?
9.He is exhibiting the typical AOG attitude after hurting others-'I COULDNT BE BOTHERED!!"
10. What is before out eyes is a smooth talking slikster.Can wriggle his way out of anything.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 7, 2012 2:05 PM

Kangaroo Court Deacon said...

Looks like those who have served PG well gets rewarded with high positions in CC.

The newly elected deacon Puan Chek Keck is none other than one of the three judges appointed by PG at the Kangaroo Court who sacked Dr Lum without a proper trial.

Is it surprising that the 7 concerned TTGs are sacked?

Posted by Kangaroo Court Deacon to Calvary Today 2 at June 7, 2012 8:32 PM

Anonymous said...

I think all Faith Promise Partners know that beyond the committed sum for Missions, the balance goes to CCC - this has been clearly announced. And so anyone making a FP commitment is well aware that a portion of his/her contribution is meant for CCC. There is therefore no manipulation by the church.

However if anyone feels that he/she wants all his/her contribution to go to Missions, then perhaps it is better that he/she look for areas within or especially beyond the Calvary to give to. There are definitely more "deserving" needs beyond Calvary where our support is needed. Go directly and not through FP.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 8, 2012 9:10 AM

Anonymous said...

Detestable Conduct

I lack the words to describe the detestable conduct of CC leaders in running the church vis-à-vis of what happened from the time 400+ church members were expelled till now

I then discovered what God has to say of Israel in Jeremiah 6:15 (NIV):-

“Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all;
they do not even know how to blush.
So they will fall among the fallen;
they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the LORD.”

There appears to be a parallel and what a tragedy it is.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 8, 2012 7:02 PM

Anonymous said...

Thursday, June 7, 2012
The 7 members do not know exactly when their memberships were removed this second time around but it is believed that it was done after the 2011 AGM. As with the sacking of the 400+ members in 2010, no reason was given for their removal and neither were any of the 7 members notified of their removal.
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MY OPINION ON THE ABOVE COMMENT

Don't expect any justice or fair practices from these religious reprobates.These Pastors are just fit for preaching sermons and are very impersonal in their dealings with other sheep. If you happen to cross them- then the sheep have a bitter pill to swallow.This is the truth.

Any system which is accountable and transparent would have given reasons for removal of long standing members or least notified them. Not these AOG pastors.They can act nasty, smile and walk away.Indeed no one can touch them.We stumbled upon this truth about these religious AOG reprobates several years ago in our own church.
Cheer up and move on. Jesus words come to my mind..".....leave them alone."

There are really very few pastors who inwardly fear God and care for the flock.Today most of what goes on is "...they will make merchandise of you." (Peter) You have heard the Salesman RY talk.You have seen the cold treatment the sheep got when they got axed. What further proof do you need that SP and pastoral crew are a group of religious rebrobates running the church? Dont be deceived by their smooth sounding justifications.SP is in error,they know the sheep has gotten suspicious and SP and gang are playing mind games now to soothe the sheep.

Move on,DONT forget the lesson and I do hope you will find your healing someplace else where Christ is honoured and the church is pastored by born again Pastors.

Grace & Peace be to all. Bye.
(Our comforts to all who were wounded by "Wan Sek" pastors operating within a church. Shameful state of affairs-not only my opinion.Its widespraed now.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 9, 2012 12:38 PM

Anonymous said...

No doubt that the CC pastors are fake pastors who fleech the people - their money and blind submission. THese are the pastors of Mammon who are caught by the 4 limbs of Mammon - love of money, power, fame and wealth.
The sickening thing is that despite it is so obvious, there are still many blind supporters of them and they will able to go around faking ministry in broad day light.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 9, 2012 12:53 PM

Anonymous said...

MY EXPERIENCE AT A CEMETARY

Recently I attended the solemn funeral of a friend.Finally the Van came to take the coffin to the place of incineration.This is the first time I looked into the frightful burning chambers.Altogether there were 5 doors into the next world.Behind the door was somekind of dark chamber where the corpse is carted into.Just looking into the chambers sent shivers down my spine.Within 1/2 an hour all 5 corpses had arrived for their final daparture.Full house.Lucrative business for the undertakers.

Its all electric these days.The coffins were put on a metal roller kind of thing.Then when the switch was on,all 5 coffins began moving into those dark chambers.Suddenly the rooms began to slightly red and the doors finally closed- and the corpses disappeared behind those doors.There was a big crowd of family and friends there.But 1 corpse arrived without any fanfare.Out of curiosity I asked the Taoist priest- and the following conversation took place.

Me- Tak dak orang -kah?
Priest- Tak tahu- isteri tak mahu datang- semua anak tak mahu datang-
Me :apa pasal?
Priest- ini mesti ada hal punya.Gaduh-gaduh- lah!!!

I came away with a sobering thought.One day we too have to make our departure.No one can cancel that day. As a Christian I have laid all me fears of the hereafter into the bosom of Jesus.

One day SP and all AOG Rev's have to be laid there too.They cant be hiding behind a Church Constituion and grand titles then."Death lays its icy hands on Kings and Queens- wrote a poet.

Just a thought here- what will be the peoples thoughts at our funeral when we are lying there-and no one has the power to waken us ?How will we be remembered?

I do hope SP will read this and sober up from his "Ostrich like" stupidity.

The CCC he is putting up has nothing to do with the glory of God.Foolishness and stuborness has gripped his soul.And he is fooling around with souls for whom Jesus gave his life.He is already in the midst of Judgment.The crown is fallen from his head and his honour is lying in the dust. Still playing the Ostrich?
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Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 9, 2012 1:36 PM

Anonymous said...

Quoting Anon June 8, 9:46PM ~

"I think all Faith Promise Partners know that beyond the committed sum for Missions, the balance goes to CCC - this has been clearly announced. And so anyone making a FP commitment is well aware that a portion of his/her contribution is meant for CCC. There is therefore no manipulation by the church."

But, the RM1,357,526 which was transferred out, was actually out from actual Missions Funds!

If that is the case, then is this acceptable?

Anonymous said...

Mission fund has been utterly robbed. PG transfer fund anywhere and any amount he likes. If the people who handle the fund is corrupted, why bother to give to it anymore? If they don't wish to keep accountability, you know they will twist everything for their perverted cause of CCC and luxury lifestyle. All the so called mission giving, and ministry are just surface of sheep clothes where the truth inside is a pack of wolves. For me, turn off the tap is the right thing to do.
The verdict is true - PG and the associate pastors and the spineless deacons are guilty of robbing God and God's people.
The question that we now ought to answer is - then what? What shall we do with the evil we saw before us?


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 9, 2012 7:43 PM

Anonymous said...

All Faith Promise contributions goes into Missions Funds. From there every month there is a commitment towards Missions and any extra goes towards the CCC. And so yes, the amount which goes towards CCC comes from Faith Promise/"Missions" Funds. What I have tried to explain is that this approach is explained/announced upfront and therefore any and all Faith Promise Partners commit/give knowingly that a portion of the "Missions Funds" goes towards CCC, i.e. the amount exceeding that which has been committed towards missions.

Is this acceptable? Obviously yes for those who have made Faith Promise commitment; otherwise they would not have made the commitment.

I am sure there are others who do not agree with this approach and therefore they are not Faith Promise Partners but rather they choose to give (all) their support to missions, especially to God's work beyond Calvary. That is more than fine since as I have mentioned, there are so many needs which are more deserving and I am sure that God is pleased with such support by these members.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 9, 2012 10:48 PM

Anonymous said...

During question time, a member queried about the expenses of RM100,000 in the accounts classified as “Legal & Professional Fees”. Bro Edward explained that it was a lump sum fees paid to the lawyer engaged by the Church for a Court case that the Church was involved in.
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COMMENT ON THE ABOVE

WOWWW!!!!!100 GRAND TO PAY OFF THE LEGAL FEES!!! SP IS INDEED IN A PRIVILEGED POSITION.THAT EXPLAINS WHY HE IS FEARLESS OF ANY MEMBER.ANY ONE SUES, HE WILL DIP HIS HAND INTO THE CHURCH COFFERS AGAIN- AND COOLLY SAY THAT IT IS LAWYERS FEES!!! WELL DONE SP- WELL DONE!!

DOES NO ONE HAVE THE GUTS /BRAINS TO CHASE OUT THIS AOG REVEREND MONKEY FROM THE CHURCH?? 100,000 RINGGIT FOR LAWYERS FEES?? ITS ALL THE HARD EARNED SHEEPS MONEY.WELL DONE AGAIN SP- OUR COMPLIMENTS!!

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 10, 2012 11:53 AM

Anonymous said...

In response to Anonymous at 9.10am 8th Jun & again at 10.48pm 9th Jun .... "were you there?"

EYES HAVE SEEN IT, EARS HAVE HEARD IT; SO TOTT IS THE ONLY WAY AHEAD .......

In a lot of way, CC is like a mini Malaysia - for a long time I thought that we had a mini Mahathir at the pulpit (looks like him, sounds like him but not him), now it appears that the remaining Calvarites are like what Mahathier said about the UMNO members ..... mudah lupa.

"Eyes have seen it" - just to refresh your memory, remember the RM 1.9m which was stashed away "quietly & secretly" from CC's coffers into PG's PERSONAL ministry (CIM) over a 5 years period from 2002 to 2007 until God exposed it to 4 brave TTG members on 21st Jun 2008 right infront of 4 Deacons & PO.

"Ears have heard it" - were you there on 20th Jun 2009, the 2nd day of the now aka infamous 2-day AGM, when a brave TTG member asked why he can't find the RM 0.2m (which was part of the RM 1.9m) in the 2007 Mission A/cs? ER (CC's treasurer) answered that it was part of the RM 0.26m classified as Missions & Evangelism, to which the TTG brother answered "if that is the case, then only RM 60,000 or RM 5,000 per month ACTUALLY went to Missions & Evangelism, & we call ourselves a BIG church. A BIG Church?" Sad to say, I do not see that TTG brother in CC anymore.

"So TOTT is the ONLY way ahead ...." - that's why I have been TOTTing since then NOT that I don't support having a BIG church building BUT I DON"T support Lies, no Transparency & poor Governance in church. And we call ourselves (CC) a church? A Fountain-head Church, for that matter?

Fountain-head church for what? For spreading LIES from the pulpit? For NO TRANSPARENCY by the pastors & leaders? For POOR GOVERNANCE by the leadership & administration?

Administration? Yes, Administration! You there in CC's office, your "eyes have seen it" & your "ears have heard it" BUT yet you choose to be silent & part of the whole SHAM. Be careful what you say to HIM on Judgement Day when He asks you "I had placed you in CC's office for a purpose, what then did you do for me when there was a need to speak out against those false shepherds who were robbing Me in My House? Brothers & sisters, I think you need to go to Him & seek His Forgiveness & then repent by doing the right thing.

Sometimes in CC, we sing the hymn "were you there .....?". I think, Calvarites, we need to ask ourselves "were we there" when PG told lies over the pulpit? "Were we there" when PG nailed Christ to the cross "again" by telling LIES from the pulpit, again & again & again?

I can only hang down my head shamefully & look at the floor in silence for, yes, I was there; were you? From now onwards, I shall speak up, not for myself, BUT for the Lord. Brothers & sisters, we need to "Stand up for the Lord" & "Speak up for the Lord", for we, the remaining Calvarites, are Not some invisible & Dumb sheep BUT we are the Called. Amen!

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 10, 2012 12:23 PM

Anonymous said...

On page 8 of CalvaryNews June issue, Lawrence Mak is a tour host for CCC open day. If I remember correctly, Lawrence was present when Dr. Lum brought it to PG's attention that the architect for CCC is a freemason. It appears that PG, Assoc. Pastors and the church leaders who are involved in CCC accepts freemasonry. All those who are involved in CCC have compromised their Christian principles and beliefs when they accept freemasonry because CCC is designed by a freemason architect.

In 2008 and 2009, the monthly budget for Missions was RM218k. Since 2010, the budget was reduced to RM172k. This is a manipulation to sweep more to CCC because in 2009, missions gave only RM0.3mil to the building fund. CC has openly declared that whatever excess from Faith Promise is for CCC. It was RM1.36mil in 2011! Get the picture!

Next month, in July CC will have its Faith Promise Sunday. Calvarites/members, please bear in mind that whatever you give to Faith Promise indicates that you, too, are supporting freemasonry which is not accepted by many denominations. Freemasonry has been described as a cult, secret society or anti-christ.

Do not take my word for it. Be a discerning Christian and widen your knowledge of freemasonry. Do a google search by typing in "freemasonry and christianity", or "freemasonry versus christianity" or 'freemasonry and aog". Then you will understand what freemasonry is.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 10, 2012 6:13 PM

Anonymous said...

So the accounts states that 1.36 Million, said to be the 'excess' from 'Missions' collected from the Faith Promise takings, have now been transferred to CCC in 2011.

Would anyone be able to provide here some numbers for us all to see, what were the 'needs'/'budget' presented duing the Faith Promise drive of year 2011? (how much did 'Missions' require? etc, etc.)

Also, can anyone provide for us now to see, how much was then being ACTUALLY spent for 'Missions' in 2011?

If the 'budgets' presented by CC on what the 'needs' is now shown to have been 'escalated' (or 'window dressed') during the Faith Promise of year 2011, resulting in an 'excess' of 1.36 million from 'Missions', then perhaps rises here a grave need for concern indeed.

The next 'Faith Promise' drive for 2012 will soon be approaching again.

Perhaps, members must now become aware if there exist any 'marketing-hype' 'need(s)' being proclaimed during Faith Promise Sunday vs what is ACTUALLY needed or ACTUALLY being spent?

Therefore, in quoting Anon June 9, 10:48PM ~

"Is this acceptable? Obviously yes for those who have made Faith Promise commitment; otherwise they would not have made the commitment."

So is all this still acceptable? ~ if the "Faith Promise" presented 'needs' made by CC have not been true after all?

Perhaps, I then might agree with Anon, that "otherwise (members) would not have made the (Faith Promise) commitment.."

Anonymous said...

I can only hang down my head shamefully & look at the floor in silence for, yes, I was there; were you? From now onwards, I shall speak up, not for myself, BUT for the Lord. Brothers & sisters, we need to "Stand up for the Lord" & "Speak up for the Lord", for we, the remaining Calvarites, are Not some invisible & Dumb sheep BUT we are the Called. Amen
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I do sincerely hope that more sheep at CC will heed the above voice.Lets not be pushed around and deceived by some Bible quoting liar.I too believe in the TOTT priciple.Thats the only message SP understands.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 11, 2012 11:11 AM

Anonymous said...

when PG nailed Christ to the cross "again" by telling LIES from the pulpit, again & again & again?

June 10, 2012 12:23 PM
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A COMMENT ON THE ABOVE

I DONT THINK SP NAILED JESUS ON THE CROSS.I THINK HE JUST NAILED HIMSELF.HE HARDLY SMILES THESE DAYS.RATHER HIS TONE IS GENTLY FIERCE.THIS AOG SICK WOLF HAS BEEN EXPOSED.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 11, 2012 11:14 AM

Anonymous said...

Some of these AOG Reverends are so hurtful to their own sheep-I doubt if they really had a calling from the Master.In fact,some of them need to be born again, because judging by their actions-they dont seem to have the fear of God.These Pastors just need to move on to some place else outside the church for their livelihood instead of pretending to shepherd the flock while lording over the flock.

I am tempted to use obscenity but I know it wont see the light of day on this blog.If they have no love for the sheep, why is it they are still hanging around the church with a Rev title and a huge leather bound Bible? Its so sickening these days to hear their conduct.

AUNTY LOLLY


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 11, 2012 3:54 PM

Anonymous said...

It is interesting to also take look at the defination/origins of 'Faith Promise' which says this:

"1. What is Faith Promise giving:
A Faith Promise is an agreement made with God to give to Missions over a specific period of time, by faith, trusting God to provide the funds in various ways, above your regular offering. We ask that you pray first and then fill out a Faith Promise card with the amount you feel God is leading you to give over the next year.

2.Where does the money go?
Faith Promise partners support missionaries and their ministries around the world. Besides the regular support of missionaries, we serve and give relief in times of disaster.."

So there you are dear brothers and sisters in Christ, the origins of 'Faith Promise' is to help raise support for missionaries in support of missions outreach throught the world. Quite a noble fund-raising method.

Certainly is NOT intended to be used for CCC. Eventhough more and more people might be waking up and realising to coin CCC now to becoming as "times of disaster"..!

Anonymous said...

All Faith Promise contributions goes into Missions Funds. From there every month there is a commitment towards Missions and any extra goes towards the CCC. And so yes, the amount which goes towards CCC comes from Faith Promise/"Missions" Funds. What I have tried to explain is that this approach is explained/announced upfront and therefore any and all Faith Promise Partners commit/give knowingly that a portion of the "Missions Funds" goes towards CCC, i.e. the amount exceeding that which has been committed towards missions.

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Does this mean that the Faith Promise collected have exceeded what the church has comitted towards 'Missions' by RM1,357,526 ?

How much did CC actually give out to Missions anyway?

Seems odd indeed that there is such a big 'surplus', unless...

Anonymous said...

The Mask Has been Removed
And the Dispersion of its members has begun

Behind a seemingly innocuous figure
and an external innocent smile
lies dark and shadowy ambitions
to subjugate the church members
into contributing their hard-earned money
to finance the building of the Tower of Babel with dire consequences

It is enlightening to read this blog and has taught many readers – not all that glitters is gold.

Be careful of the fakes. TOTT is the strategy of the game.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 11, 2012 7:02 PM

Anonymous said...

A MESSAGE TO SP FROM SOME AOG PASTORS
The number of church people/pastors watching you now is directly proportional to the senseless stupidity of your own actions.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 12, 2012 11:03 AM

Anonymous said...

The CC crisis in no more limited to that church only but concerns the whole AOG leadership now.Because of that,the spiritual image of all AOG Pastors has been dented.I do hope the present leadership at Calvary will not have a spirit of resistance to demands for accountability/transparency.

All AOG churches must be accountable and be transparent to the church- especially in terms of conduct and finances.

Perhaps one solution is for the pastoral staff at CC,including Prince,to step down,appoint an interim pastor untul the pastoral leaders & staffs name are cleared of all the allegations.

A DISTANT PASTOR


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 12, 2012 12:47 PM

Anonymous said...

RM1,357,526 also might enable to help support another 4 small churches at approx. 28K per month.

This, plus their normal collections can easily assist to take care of a new small church building rental, plus salary for a full time pastor & small team there for an entire year!

True missions and the furthering of God's kingdom in unreached yet places. Yes, sure, anytime!!


SMALL TOWN pastor.

Anonymous said...

Anybody knows actual details of CC 'missions' giving? Is there an internal audit or due governance done on this by the deacons or board members?

Any 'excess' from such a fund could also mean that CC might not even be giving out to missions the way God had intended such funds to go..

What more when we learn that the 'excess' has been so large and runs into millions.

Something certainly does not sound correct here.

Anonymous said...

" However if anyone feels that he/she wants all his/her contribution to go to Missions, then perhaps it is better that he/she look for areas within or especially beyond the Calvary to give to. There are definitely more "deserving" needs beyond Calvary where our support is needed. Go directly and not through FP. "

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Refering to the comment made by somebody per the above.

Does the person making this comment mean to tell us that our Faith Promise pledges meant for missions does not entirely go to missions?

Really?! So sad!

SO, what does FP for 'missions' then all mean? If we cannot trust CC to carry out what they say that the FP was needed for.. then, what more is there that we can believe in?

'Faith Promise' is looking more like a Fruad Parade now? I hope somebody will honestly look into all this or to reply appropriately in addressing this matter.

Anonymous said...

Much has been written in this blog about CCC which is designed by a freemason. This freemason architect is known internationally and is a 'guru' for green designs of buildings.

Even though much of work is done by his assistants, there is no denying that the concept, the actual design and the main features will be by the chief architect. Hence, CCC will go into the annals of freemasonry as a freemason designed building and the architect will have his name etched in it. For PG, it is his lifetime ambition come true. But it will go down in history for the wrong reasons. So, a freemason designed CCC is a no, no!

On page 11 of the Calvary missions News Jan. 2012 issue, under the heading CCC it is stated "Your faith giving determines the amount". CC had also slashed the monthly missions budget from RM218k to RM172K.

All discerning Calvarites and members must think carefully regarding their giving to Faith Promise as a large part of the collection goes to CCC, a freemason designed building. Therefore, if you give to CC's Faith promise, you are condoning freemasonry and directly supporting this secret society.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 12, 2012 11:17 PM

Anonymous said...

Hi Calvary Today,
Would it be possible for a new investigation article on "Mission Funds"? Go back maybe 10 years (or even longer). Table out to compute and tabulate how much 'Faith Promise' was collected for each year vs how much was actually given out to 'missions'.
Also, would be so helpful if these 'missions' can be identified or detailed out?

A little dove whispered to me that this might be The Iceberg in which money can be so easily be plundered away 'un-noticed' e.g. CC giving to a 'mission' overseas in which this 'mission' is somewhat then 'connected' back to PG/his family?

Would be good to prove this little birdie wrong now... Or not?

observer said...

Great that Edward who has been treasurer resigned for whatever reason....he, being a professional accountant would be aware that CC accounts are far from transparent. Bravo to him - God must be working at his conscience!!!

observer

Anonymous said...

Of course,when the conscience of a Christian begins to trouble him,it shows Gods indwelling Spirit prompting within.We can resist and live with many unpleasant things,but its impossible to live with a a troubled conscience.Praise to Our Mighty God!!!! The treasurer has resigned. God is still working behind the scenes and sits above the storm!! All in due time.The other Bible quoting liars, especially that SALESMAN have got a seared conscience and the sheep are quietly aware of their cover ups and confident fronts. I personally believe that SP and gang will be charged in Court after the general elctions.

TEKEL TELEK MENE...
You have been weighed in the scales and have been found wanting....(Book Of Daniel)

Posted in CT2 on June 14, 2012 3:04 PM

Anonymous said...

The Church paid RM100,000.00
CASH for legal fees !!!!!

HMMMMMMMMMMMM!

PG did you pocket some?????


Posted by CASH to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 9:54 AM

Anonymous said...

THE EXODUS CONTINUETH...

I am in full agreement with the above blogger.Resignations from leaders,in this instance,the treasurer,must be announced to the assembly but here the treasurer appears to have made his exit quietly-like Pam & Rev.Jerry Chow who disappeared through the back doors of CC.Until today there are no reasons given as to their disappearence.

The waves are rocking the boat,and as the above blogger put it-THE BIBLE QUOTING LIARS appear fidgety and I suspect have more monkey tricks up their sleeves.The most probable explanation for the "mysterious disappearences" could be they realized that they have been exposed about their clandestine activities.

Lets stand together against these shameless Rev Liars for truth and transparency. Let the Bersih episode continue!!Syabas to the bloggers here.

SP-YOU MADE A MISTAKE BY BRINGING OUT THE AXE AND YOU WILL PAY FOR IT!!


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 11:15 AM

Anonymous said...

To Anon June 15, 2012 11:15 AM.

You are right, they quietly disappeared by the backdoor BUT do you know they can also quietly appear back through the backdoor also.

Pam resigned from CLM but I heard she is back drawing a salary from CC again. This is parked under Education ministry. When I first heard this, I did not believe. She is her own boss out of Calvary, why come back?

I checked the Stipend/salary for the Education ministry and I saw the possible evidence there. 2010 was 302,639 and 2011 was 446,959. A RM144,320.00 increase.

Can someone please check if Pam is really back drawing a salary from CC again?


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 1:25 PM

Anonymous said...

I checked the Stipend/salary for the Education ministry and I saw the possible evidence there. 2010 was 302,639 and 2011 was 446,959. A RM144,320.00 increase
........................................
My thoughts on the above blogger

I would not be surprised if she is back on CC payroll.After all,her father owns CC- what is there to worry? Look at the following sequence of events.

1.SP has great ambitions to set up CCC.(Claims God told him to do it- but with a freemason designing it- it is now doubtful which god inspired him)

2.A man called Dr.Lum is concerned about the cost- so he tries to find time with him SP.

3.SP refuses to meeet the Dr.(Instead SP issues a letter axing this old timer)

4.Later there are other objections from the floor (SP brings out a bigger axe.)

5.Another leader is removed with a statement
"you no more share CC's vision)

6. All attempts to reason out with SP fails.More questions are raised from the floor- about SP personal ministry, parked under CC for many years- with a similar sounding name,to give the impression that they one and the same.

7. CC makes it to the news.(SP begins to cover his tracks from here on)

8. Dispute lands in Court with SP engaging the best & most expensive lawyers in town for a fee of RM100,000.

9. He uses the sheep's money to pay the bill and cooly announces to CC that it was lawyers fees.He does not need anyones consent. He does the deed first- only then he informs. That is his version of accountability.

10.He uses the Jellyfish and the Salesman to do all the dirty work for him- and I suspect they must be pretty busy because the tracks are smeared with filthy crap all the way.

This AOG MADMAN thinks he is tough,flexing his muscles to the sheep.He has lived the high lifestyle fleecing the sheep but "Humty Dumty had a great fall" and this is happening to him right now.

FORGIVE AND FORGET-LOL??

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 2:22 PM

Anonymous said...

I don't object to the architect being a freemason but do have concerns if the building design has a freemason significance. Simply because if you object to him being a freemason, then you have to object to the contractors and construction workers who are heathens or of other religious beliefs. Where do you draw the line.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 3:25 PM

Anonymous said...

This blog is a great tragedy and I am greatly saddened by the contents of this blog.Once upon a time,us Pastors were very highly esteemed,today we are even described as Bible Quoting Liars.

True there may be wolves in our midst but to generalize is greatly unfair.I somehow feel Rev Prince is responsible for this state of affairs.I do hope that he prays about his present situation and do the right thing.Only then will the dignity and honor of the ministry be restored.

Why is it sometimes the impression is given that religious people are deadly people- especially church people? Everyone carries their own secret wounds and secret struggles.Added to this, we have mean pastors who trouble the waters.

May God guide us out of his mess.Until the troubles are sorted out at CC- the image of AOG Pastors will be viewed with cynicism,distrust and disrespect.

Depressed Pastor

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 4:11 PM

Anonymous said...

We appreciate and understand pastors and the challenges they face in their ministry. However, members look for pastors with a genuine shepherd's heart. I think pastors need a refresher course on " true shepherding" and NOT leadership courses that are no different than the world's principles. The church is more than a corporate body.

Concerned sheep.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 7:55 PM

Depressed no more said...

Depressed Pastor,

You are barking at the wrong tree.
Please do write in the AOG Malaysia.
Get the Superintendent to do something.
Prince Guneratnam is tarnishing the whole Christian Community not only the AOG pastors.

Get all the pastors to sign and demand for Prince resignation.

Faith without works is dead.

Do something for the Lord.

Then you will not be depress any more !!!!!

Posted by Depressed no more to Calvary Today 2 at June 15, 2012 10:03 PM

Anonymous said...

Dear 'Depressed no more',

1) "Get all the pastors to sign and demand for Prince resignation."

2) "Do something for the Lord."

''''''''''''''''''''

I find the above comments to be so lame. Can you please don't be so childish and write such comments here?

1) Are ALL the pastors against Prince???!

2) Does the Lord need you to do this for Him???!


Perhaps you are just using the name of God in vain, and you might not even really know who this Lord GOD really is. I think you are just still depressed because of this saga, and should not even sign off as 'depressed no more'.

May I suggest that you pray for more wisdom on how to go about un-seating PG, and then maybe you can finally truly sign off as 'depressed no more'.

Anonymous said...

Dear Depressed Pastor,
The true shepherd cares for his sheep and knows his sheep by name, and the sheep can tell who are the true pastors with a shepherds' heart from the ones who are pretenders. Dear depressed pastor, just seek to follow the humble, loving caring steps of Jesus, the True Shepherd. He is the Saviour and Lord. He is our role model, not Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland , Creflo Dollar and the likes who the pretender pastors try to emulate inorder to be rich and famous by embracing their prosperity gospel of silver and gold.
Instead learn precious lessons from the humble old time pastors and missionaries whose pure motives were to serve Christ and Christ only and who left us with their wonderful legacy that glorifies God. They did not give us the prosperity gospel of silver and gold but only the true gospel of Jesus Christ.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 16, 2012 10:22 AM

Anonymous said...

In reply to Anon June 16, 10:22AM,

I guess God has all types of Church to reach all types of people.

Consider this also, if CC has not met the 'needs' of so many people, the congregation would not have become the size that it is.

Perhaps would be best for you to find a suitable church where you can be comfortable to fit in, and also maybe to serve (not just to go to a church and have your ears tickled).

If you keep looking up to men, they might somehow still fail in one way or another. Bless the hearts of Pastors who sacrifice and who are genuine. God knows the hearts of men. I am sure GOD knows your own heart also, and perhaps might even have a plan for your own life to one day lead, guide and care for people in Christ.

Dissiminating any 'hate' kind of comments here towards CC certainly gets you no where but certainly just gets you 'depressed' even further.

Does your 'GOD' want all this?

Anonymous said...

I work on Saturdays and usually take a few miniutes off from the daily office drudgery and visit this site.After reading the responses to the'depressed pastor'I am now beginning to feel depressed.Let me elaborate.

Poor Chap-that pastor was expressing a genuine pain(My own opinion)instead he gets "hantam" by others here.Its greatly encouraging for me personally,that finally,a few pastors are emerging from the shadows and beginning to talk.Welcome Pastors & thanks for talking.

Now about getting signatures from other AOG pastors requesting SP's resignation.NOW WHO DO YOU THINK GOT THE GUTS TO PUT DOWN HIS REV.SIGNATURE FIRST? The blogger is not facing reality.Pastors may talk tough from a Church pulpit-but they got to worry about their bread and butter.So far I have not heard an AOG Rev voice denouncing the high handed dealings of SP.The reasons?

A prominent English Judge once commented-"Legal theory must march alongside political reality" Bloggers must face the structural & heiarchical reality within the sick AOG system.SP is somewhere near the top with a Tan Sri besides his other lofty titles.Who has the clout to begin a campaign to unseat him?

Those near him, of course, will have the attitude "Its Not My Business"-or maybe he is the only one who can give them the internationl preaching connections.Big $$$ involved there.

From what I read here- it is not the purpose of this blog to demand anybody to resign. WHAT WAS BEING DEMANDED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS ACCOUNTABILITY & TRASPARENCY FROM PASTORS.IS THIS AN IMPROPER REQUEST?( This doesnt seem to register in the AOG Rev's brains)

Until today SP has not offered himself to be investigated to clear the issues of private money transfers from CC to CIM- which he owns personally.If he has nothing to conceal- why the hesistancy? Can everyone in CC be fooled?

lately,the treasurer has resigned quietly.Maybe his conscience was bothering him.If SP has any more self respect in him-get the church to vote in an Accountant and do an Audit.The accountant must be appointed by the floor and not someone who under SP's influence.

If he is a man of truth and honour,let him do this deed first instead of preaching his stale and boring sermons.Bloggers-dont get sidetrekked.This is only the tip of the iceberg-there is something big lurking beneath the surface.

The 6th Columnist


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 16, 2012 11:45 AM

Anonymous said...

Referring to Annoy at June 16th, 5.39am on 'depressed no more'. I think you are the childish one and need to pray to learn more on spiritual wisdom and discernment. Your comments against "depressed no more" are immatured & lacked spiritual discernment. Since you are so smart, why not you make some suggestions on how to unseat PG, unless you really like PG.

I support what "depressed no more" commented and its not childish or wrong. At least a hope there would be enough pastors who dare to stand up for the righteousness of God and sign up to AOG Malaysia to press for PG's resignation to preserve the dignity of the christian community.

Grow up young man to be a more spiritual matured christian and pray that the 'jesus' you claimed to know is truly the Jesus of the Bible
and not a 'counterfeit jesus'

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 16, 2012 3:42 PM

Anonymous said...

Referring to Anon of June 16, 3:42.

Does your GOD not also love PG as well as He loves you?!?!

I guess you yourself must really be so immature, childish and 'lack spiritual discernment' until you don't even know who Jesus truly is to even reply all that.

This 'righteousness of God' which you talk about, can we now have a list of how many Pastors who support or uphold this (against PG)? Is there an ongoing prayer meeting done supported by a group of 'pastors' to unseat PG? Kindly let us know where and when this this meeting is held, as we would probably like to attend.. unless of course all this spite and bitterness is just from your own doing.. and God is not even present.

For the record, I am not in support of any pastor(s) who 'abuse' church money neither am I in support of any movement where Jesus isn't also/even present.

Anonymous said...

An Accountant, be it in the corporate world or in a 'church' setting, reports to the Boss and will tango to the tune set by his Boss who pays his monthly salary.

Any questions regarding CC's accounts or PG's conduct must come from the Board Members. A special audit can also be performed at the request of the Board Members.

Of course anyone (any hired pastor or accountant) may consider resignation when demands made are contradictory to his/her own (Godly) principles.

So perhaps is good realise that, and we cannot really pressure that poor chap (new Accountant).

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anon June 16,2012 5:05PM

" I guess God has all types of Church to reach all types of people " My comment - So you think God has prepared the prosperity gospel church for certain type people ? Hey, they are a fake gospel, get it. God has nothing to do with it. It's the creation of greedy men.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 16, 2012 6:39 PM

Anonymous said...

Holy anguish, holy anguish.
Have you not heard this?
I think the suggestion to get enough pastors to sign a petition to ask PG to resign is a good suggestion. However, sadly there are not many pastors who have the courage to do so. Most of the high position pastors in AOG system are corrupted. They are corrupted under the leadership of PG himself over the many years. The good ones have of course left the system.

Btw, being big and many followers do not necessary means it meet the need of people the way God wanted. Look at the church of Oprah. Today this cult church is the fastest growing church in the world. Large number of people attend it, yet it preach that there are many Jesus and Jesus did not die for the world. Obviously, it is a cult, yet cult does grow large in size and number.
Basically, don't judge the outward size and conclude the inner motive. Look deeper, judge in way align with God's words and you will notice many big churches are perverted.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 16, 2012 11:48 PM

Anonymous said...

Freemasonry has been referred to as a cult, secret society or anti-christ in Christian circles. We are not talking about followers of other religious beliefs. The subject here is that Christians who condone freemasonry have compromised their Christian beliefs and principles.

Famous buildings or structures designed or built by freemasons:

1) St. Paul's cathedral in London: Designed and built by Christopher Wren, a Freemason, between 1696 and 1711. There is (i)a black and white pentagram on the floor which is associated with freemasonry, (ii) in front of the main altar is a typical solar symbol associated with sun worship, (iii) found in St. Paul's, there is a phoenix or pelican feeding its young - another symbol typical of freemasonry and sun worship.

2)Washinton D.C.:In 1791, Pierre Charles L'Enfante, a freemason designer planned the governmental centre. He hid certain occultic magical symbols in the layout of the US Governmental Center. When these symbols are united, they become one large luciferic or occult symbol.

3) Statue of Liberty, New York: This was given by French freemasons to masons of America. The torch is the masonic Touch of Enlightenment.

4) Eiffel tower, Paris: Designed by Gustav Eiffel, a well-known freemason in 1887 and 1889. This is an elongated pyramid.

One of the most prominent masonic symbol is found on the reverse side of the US one dollar bill. It is a pyramid with the All-Seeing-Eye.

You will be shocked that cornerstone is associated with masonic practice. This is found on the web: "Because of their heritage as builders of cathedrals and other public structures, the Freemasons have historically performed a special ceremony at the laying of cornerstone, upon request. In modern practice, normally a VIP of the organization or community leader will be invited to conduct the ceremony of figuratively beginning the foundation of the building, with the person's name and official position and the date usually recorded on the stone."

It has also been commented that CCC is likened to an Egyptian mummy or a cobra which is associated with freemasonry or occultic.

When a Freemason incorporates masonic symbols into their design of a structure, it is done very, very subtly because symbols have meanings. Most times, this will not be significant to the average person but only to the initiated.

Would you, therefore, accept freemasonry which is a secret society and also contribute to the building of a Freemason designed church which may have masonic symbols which the uninitiated cannot see?


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 17, 2012 12:11 AM

Anonymous said...

Oh dearr.. when a church is growing that does not necessary mean that the church has meet the needs of people 'the way God wanted'..

And when a church is NOT growing or members decreasing, some also say that's because the church has not also met the needs of people or God's anointing isn't there or on the leaders..

Are we deviating now? Who's fault is it? God? The people? The person making all these comments?

Leave the church of Oprah out. That's probably a cult if Jesus isn't present. CC has met many needs as well, and many folks have found salvation in Jesus there so never forget that also. Some of the pastors in CC are really nice people.

If there is an issue with PG, then please direct your attacks at him. But make it stick with concrete facts, evidence, support and definate structural actions. Otherwise just go in peace.. and also keep asking where is 'God' in all this 'madness'?!

At the end of the day, perhaps the answers comes easily.. on who's fault it is.

Anonymous said...

YOu must be joking! How can the Salesman Richard Yung and Jellyfish Kum can be pastors from God?? Remember how Lisa is being excorted out?
The many needs of people which are meet by God is through the hard and faithful works of those true believers who serve there. These are the true believers that PG had axed.
As for PG and those pastors, they are only there to tumpah glamour, collect money and enjoy those luxury and privilege from church which they have manipulate for their own benefit. They are leeches that fleech the church. Ask those pastors, even a small pastor David Seah for help, they will give excuse and curse you with much excuse of twisted scripture. They don't really serve God. Many can tell from their experience. These pastors only serve their appetite. Sadly the true believers who do not collect salary from the church and who serve faithfully have been axed, just because they highlight the PG's corruptions.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 17, 2012 9:10 PM

Anonymous said...

Does your GOD not also love PG as well as He loves you?!?!
June 17,2012 8:25 AM
..............................................
A thought on the above

Wow!!!That is a fantastic belief!! God must also love Judas Iscariot.(I think He must have forgotten the issue of the 30 pieces of silver)
For one thing,if Judas made it to heaven- I wouldnt want him to be sitting at the same table with me!!~

MATTHEWS GOSPEL
26:47 And while he yet spake,Judas,one of the twelve,came and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss,that same is the man: hold him fast.

26:49 And forthwith he came to Jesus,and said, Hail Master, and kissed him.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 17, 2012 11:40 AM

Anonymous said...

This 'righteousness of God' which you talk about,can we now have a list of how many Pastors who support or uphold this(against PG)? Is there an ongoing prayer meeting done supported by a group of 'pastors' to unseat PG.

Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today at June 17, 2012 1:30 AM
...............................................
Any man who protects his integrity will offer to step down when serious allegations are raised.Not to delve into old issues,in the late 80's when Pam got herself into trouble with moral issues- SP immediately offered to step down.He was preaching Christs messages then.So why has he not offered himself to step down until his name is cleared of all these serious charges? Its obvious that man is backslidden.A tree is known by its fruits.Lately SP has been bringing forth strange fruit.SP is no more walking with God-judging by his defensive & covering up mode.And there are 2 backslidden jokers "to help cover up"

To me- its a complete waste of time having a prayer meeting to unseat anyone.All Christians must protect their self respect and dignity.Once this is lost- forget about witnessing or preaching.All Christians in the marketplace know this.

Grace & Peace to you all.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 17, 2012 12:35 PM

Anonymous said...

The suggestion to get as many pastors as possible to sign a petition that voice up against PG and demand for his resignation is an honorable suggestion. This is in line with the motto, "Bersihkan Calvary".
All my friends sees those who initial the Bersih movement deserve respect for their courage. Likewise, if there is a similar movement amond Christian community against rogue pastors like PG, RY, SK, DS, etc, it deserve respect.
Unfortunately, not many pastors are daring enough, since the whole AOG system has been controlled by PG and his network.
It is time for the Protestant to protest.


Posted by Anonymous to Calvary Today 2 at June 17, 2012 2:06 PM

Anonymous said...

TO ANONYMOUS ABOVE JUNE 17, 2012

Please dont beat around the bushes. What are you trying to say. Of course when we mentioned PG it MEANS PG. YOU MEAN TRANSFER OF FUND BY PG AND Steven Kum CAN CLARIFY OVER THE ANNOUNCEMENT (WITHOUT DENYING)INFORMING THAT THE FUND HAS BEEN TRANSFERED BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL PLACE IS NOT A CONCRETE FACT???? WAKE UP BROTHER.

All i can say is LEAVE THE CHURCH but keep this blog.