The High Court, which was scheduled to deliver its decision today on the Originating Summons filed by the concerned members against PG and 6 Deacons, has postponed the delivery of its judgment to 26 May 2011.
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It's time to unite in our common quest for truth, transparency, good governance, stewardship and accountability in our broken and hurting Church. Until the above goals are achieved, this is what you can do:-
1. Stop Giving to Calvary. If you wish, you may re-direct your giving to worthy Christian organisations, Bible schools, orphanages, smaller churches which are struggling financially or non-church sponsored missionaries or missions work. However, if God specifically tells you to give to Calvary or you are uncomfortable about not giving to Calvary, please continue to do so.
2. Pray. Pray for God's forgivessness and cleansing of our Church as a body for all the injustice, unethical practices and bad stewardship that we have condoned or been blind to over the years. Pray against the principalities and evil forces that have crowded the minds and vision of our leaders. Pray for unrighteousness, covetousness and pride to be removed from our midst. Pray for God's truth and sovereign will to fall afresh on our Church. Pray for His healing for our broken hurting Church.
1. Stop Giving to Calvary. If you wish, you may re-direct your giving to worthy Christian organisations, Bible schools, orphanages, smaller churches which are struggling financially or non-church sponsored missionaries or missions work. However, if God specifically tells you to give to Calvary or you are uncomfortable about not giving to Calvary, please continue to do so.
2. Pray. Pray for God's forgivessness and cleansing of our Church as a body for all the injustice, unethical practices and bad stewardship that we have condoned or been blind to over the years. Pray against the principalities and evil forces that have crowded the minds and vision of our leaders. Pray for unrighteousness, covetousness and pride to be removed from our midst. Pray for God's truth and sovereign will to fall afresh on our Church. Pray for His healing for our broken hurting Church.
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25 comments:
Please continue to pray for truth, justice and righteousness to prevail. I understand the TTG made five separate attempts for the matter to be settled out of court but was rejected by PG. That the Lord will use the secular court to impose His truth, righteousness and justice.
SP has never been known for his simplicity of lifestyle but on the contrary he is a lover of titles- try addressing him as a brother and see the change of countenance.Yucks!!!
Fr CT2 @ May 18, 2011 3:35 PM
POSTPONED AGAIN
The frequent postponement of court hearings seemed to be testing, again and again, patience of people concerned and concerned people about delivery of justice. On the human side, this seems so frusatrating. BUT ... we have GOD on our side, which more than make up for everything negative which comes our way - even though we can imagine the defendant having a good laugh each time postponement happens, may God grant spirituaql strenght to TTG palintiffs to carry on.
May the Truth prevail.
Fr CT2 @ May 18, 2011 6:55 PM
To the one who said, POSTPONED AGAIN.
I think you are wrong in thinking that the defendants (PG and deacons) are laughing each time there is postponement. It is God's way of fouling up their human plans.
They thought they could get rid of the TTG once the case is closed but it is prolonged and they cannot carry out their plans smoothly without having to look back to see if TTG is behind them.
Look at their decision to have EGM this Friday thinking that the case is over by then and now HOW for them? The plaintiffs still can go for the EGM and ask questions. Case not closed yet.
As far as we, the supporters of TTG are concerned, it does not matter case closed or not. We still carry on and go to work and get paid by our bosses. We don't have to worry how to raise another RM50million to satisfy and fulfill PG's dreams. We TOTT and give to needs that are outside of CC.
So no no no. PG and gang are not laughing. As long as the case drags on, they cannot laugh. TTG is watching them.
It is we, TTG supporters who can laugh but then I won't laugh because many are still being deceived by PG. Oh well, Noah could not save all before the flood came. I suppose many won't believe just as they did not believe Noah back then.
Fr CT2 @ May 18, 2011 7:58 PM
ENCOURAGING COMMENTS
Thank you Axed member 101 for your most encouraging comments that postponement may actually spell trouble for PG and gang, by upsetting their plan and timetable.
We agree on your comment that they always have to look behind their backs, with TTG watching them.
We never realise or thought that God actually worked His miracles through the postponements.
God bless TTG and its supporters.
Fr CT2 @ May 18, 2011 11:32 PM
Postponed again??? Oh No!!!!- frust!!Grrrrr..
Ft CT2 @ May 19, 2011 1:54 PM
Hv been following the blog....since the 7 plantiffs have been 'restored to full membership' that means they can attend the EGM whereas we axed members cannot.
I trust all of you will attend the EGM tonight and those of you who are still members and will attend tonight, OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS.
CC does not belong to PG, but all who are children of God who choose to worship at CC.
As members, it is your privilege to voice your opinions according to the precepts and statutes of the Bible and not one man, seek the Lord, ask of Him what should be done.
Fr CT2 @ May 20, 2011 10:22 AM
To the Anonymous of May 18, 2011 3:35 PM, you said this:
"SP has never been known for his simplicity of lifestyle but on the contrary he is a lover of titles- try addressing him as a brother and see the change of countenance.Yucks!!!"
Why do you say that? Did you really call him "brother?" ;-) I am curious where this statement comes from...
Also to the rest of the people who have held up this flame seeking truth and equity, I think it's time to move on. There are many avenues for service and for you and I to empowered by other models of leadership, regardless of the ruling.
The battle now be could be won by the defendants by virtue of circumstance. Because if indeed the resolutions are tabled, albeit a perceived victory for the plaintiffs, there is quite a different set of audience now and there might not be a majority vote to carry out the resolutions. This "dragging out" could actually work in the defendants favor...left to be seen.
Fr CT2 @ May 20, 2011 3:33 PM
UNITED SPIRIT IN THE LORD.
I wish to draw your attention to the person who blogged
"A United Spirit in the Lord said...
I sincerely request all members to pray and seek God for guidance and wisdom in making the correct decision this coming EGM. We can no longer depend on any APs, BODs and TTG members to help us this time. The APs and BODs have all sold out their souls to this one man. The majority of the TTG members are not allowed to be there during the EGM. We have to stand up once and for all to ask for more information and transparency with regards to the CCC."
The burden many of us carry is that the congregation will unite and do the rightful thing.
TTG/CT has explored all the options available and done the right things.
1. Set up the CT blog,
2. Spearheaded CCC awareness program.
3. Sought legal council and rightfully gone to the Court.
4. Worked with National Christian organisations and prominent people.
These are seeds of faith they have sown so that the Lord can use them to accomplish His purposes and bring forth victory. (Similar to the Lord using doctors, surgery, medicine etc to heal a person.)
Nevertheless, I wish to highlight a fact that it is His children (the congregation) who hold the ultimate key. If you remember, God warned Israel not to elect a King, but they (congregation) did and they had to live and suffer with the consequences of their election.
Similarly, when God brought them to the borders of the Promised Land, Israel rejected the Lords blessing and they (congregation) had to live with the consequences. The Lord permitted them to toil and suffer in the wilderness for 40 years.
The collective decision of His people (congregation) often decides the outcome of an event. God never imposes His will. He still love His children when they decided against His will. But they had to bear the consequences of their decision.
We should all expect a favourable verdict at the EGM. We must expect the Lord to answer our prayers. We cannot have a faith that wavers but one that is strong in the Lord.
Nevertheless, whatever the outcome of the EGM, the Lord is sovereign and He will always work according to the council of His will. Our faith and joy must be in the Lord and the ability of the Holy Spirit to renew the mind of the congregation to accomplish His will.
As far as I am aware CT/TTG have exhausted all available options to resolve the crisis.
May the Lord reward them for their faithfulness and diligence in the face of oppositions. Each of us must be thankful that CT and others are fighting the good fight for the benefit of many. These are whom Rees Howells calls – Intercessors.
Prayer worriers pray but DO NOT ACT! However, Intercessors ACT and PRAY. They are those who can show their FAITH by their WORKS. That is why Norman Grubb believes history belongs to the Intercessors and not the prayer worriers.
Thank you CT and TTG!
Vijay
Fr CT2 @ May 20, 2011 4:42 PM
EGM - UPDATES
Can anybody who attended today's EGM please update we who are unable to do so ? Can you please tell us what happened thru your blog ? Thanks.
Fr CT2 @ May 20, 2011 11:56 PM
Hi, Oh there is an EGM? Huh, i was a member but when they found out that i am no longer attending the church, i WASNT NOTIFY ANYMORE. Yar, can anyone up-date those who cant attend?
Secondly, i understand that the CCC construction has start again. Anyone know who is the contractor? Appreciate your up-date.
Ps S Kum made an announcement today that an overhwelming majority voted in favor of the increase of RM 50 million for the CCC project. Can anyone of attendees confirm this is indeed true ? Can anyone confirm how many voted in favor ? How many voted against ? How many voting members voted ? Or was there a major boycott of the EGM ? Were ther any objections or questions raised ? Were there immediate replies ?
Fr CT2 @ May 22, 2011 10:48 PM
there were about 200+ voting members in attendence. when the resolution for the increase in budget of Rm50M was made, all voted in favor with only 2 objecting.
The way the finance and the project comittee made their presentation was very clear, transparent and showed exactly how and where the costings had escalated, and how the comittee had contained the budget over-runs.
Fr CT2 @ May 23, 2011 2:49 PM
to Anonymous May 23, 2011 2:49 PM.
1.*"ALL" voted in favour except 2..."
* REALLY? was there a count or simply sighted and it was declared "it's Majority". Besides, do you know how many had Abstained?
2. " their presentation was very clear, transparent.."
HONESTLY? Many critical info and facts were deliberately NOT disclosed, but swept under the carpet.
Half truths persist, and lots of "future money" assumed.
But, Lots of Creative ways to Sell a rosy picture, was clear, bec those who voted for it, were taken in hook & sinker.
Fr CT2 @ May 23, 2011 9:31 PM
Another 50M.....
With that 50M, I can built 2 churches that seat 5K each fully furnished and equipt. Maybe additional purchase of a few vans/bus to ferry prople to church.
It would be nice if someone can share from the audit trail from beginning on initial how much to today on each occasion.
We are not talking about thousnds here but all in MILLIONS! Calvary Church really hit the guinness book of record!
What can you expect, when CC axed 400 voting members and associate members?You do not need a genius to figure out that any motion put to vote will have the majority? Get it!
Fr CT2 @ May 24, 2011 12:05 AM
All of you are such nice, forgiving and believe everything type of christians especially things said by the pastors. The person that prince guneratnam is today is the result of your making all these years before his fall and the personality rears its ugly head. All of you said yes to the constitution change. All of you give and pledge no mater what. To me there are a few people I want to hang out there and let the whole church and public to see. All the con men and swindlers I have ever seen so bad are found in calvary chuech. I f you are really serious about punishing the offenders and crooks, then go all out and dont be nice anymore to these people. otherwise, you are wasting my time and all others time with these blog. The senior pastors should be skinned alive if he has cheated the people of all the hard earned money.
Fr CT2 @ May 24, 2011 12:48 PM
For those who cant count at CC
RM5 million looks like this
RM50,000,000
If you translate this into RM100 bills and put them in the back seat of your van-it will be full-
SP suceeded and wants to avoid questions- hence the holidays to HK.The scapegoats will have do to the dirty works again!!Congrats SK- well done!!!
Fr CT2 @ May 24, 2011 6:18 PM
OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, IS IT REALLY SO ?
We all know fraudsters and cheats can actually fool people (esp simpletons) with selective facts and figures, skilfully embedded in your delivery speech or message, esp with favourable visual presentations and support system, craftily supplemented with half truths (read "lies'), that people desire to hear. These victims of the "sting" can be manipulated to accept what these tricksters want they to believe, leading them by the nose, swallowing hook, line and sinker - right up to the final slaughter.
Sadly, the EGM seems to portray such an example of suckers born everyday.
BTW, how can 200 plus voters be constued as overwhelming majority, when the congregation size was officially tagged to total about three thousand or more ? We think it is mathematically, logically and wrong.
Another innocent "white lie" in church ?
Fr CT2 @ May 24, 2011 8:09 PM
COMMENT ON:-
Ps S Kum made an announcement today that an overhwelming majority voted in favor of the increase of RM 50 million for the CCC project.
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IS THAT SO REV. STEVEN KUM????-BUT WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS??- HOW MANY VOTED FOR AND VOTED AGAINST?
ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO BORN AGAIN LIARS- KEEP UP THE "UNREPENTANT WORKS" .
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DISGUSTED
Fr CT2 @ May 23, 2011 11:39 AM
198 voters out of 3,000 members is not a spiritual MANDATE at all?
PGS , Asst Ps, BOD, Elders and die hard supporters still have not SOLD their bungalows and houses to pay for CCC construction over-runs yet ?
Very SHOCKING ??? NO Sacrifices for GOD's VISION !
Fr CT2 @ May 25, 2011 9:54 AM
No, not 198 voting for. Just a show of hands. Votes not counted except that it was obvious only 2 voted against. Don't know how many abstention. Bet it will be minuted that the vast majority voted for. At least they cannot mi9nuted that it was unanimous. For proper recording of EGM should have counted the votes.
Fr CT2 @ May 25, 2011 10:43 AM
IN RESPONSE TO
Also to the rest of the people who have held up this flame seeking truth and equity, I think it's time to move on.
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We there at CC from the very beginning and this is our home church- my children were born here and raised here.We gave sacrificially throughout out lives there- and then we got axed.. and now your only advice to us is to move on???? Just like that ah?? No regard for our support but now we are told to get lost? Yes our family has decided to get lost.SP is no more a man of God but a sly deceitful pentecostal rat on the loose.All that matters is that new building for the World Pentecostal Conference which will restore his ruined reputation.This is a lesson our family will never forget- wherever we go we will never let an AOG Pastor come near us.Good Bye folks-my whole family is standing behind me as I type this.WE as a family have decided to stop going to church for 1 year- there is too much disillusioned in us and we need time to pray and recover. Bye Bye sly rats at CC!!
Fr CT2 @ May 25, 2011 1:32 PM
There were about 200+ voting members in attendence !!!!!!
Wah!!!!!!!!!!! Out of these....
6 from PG family
11 ass.pastors and spouses
14 deacons and spouses
30 staff and spouses (est)
Total 61 from the deacons and staff.
198 - 61 = 137
137 is only 20% of CC membership
80% are not in favour ???????
So where is the overwhelming responds????????
And my nose grew loooooonger
Fr CT2 @ May 25, 2011 2:41 PM
Hey, anyone know so what is the total cost for CCC, I mean from start till now? Another RM50 Million. So does it mean RM200 Million already?
Yes, i do agreed to many of you. LET YOUR WALK DO THE TALKING. LEAVE THE CHURCH. I left almost 1 year ago and now attending some other church. Saw quite many ex-calvarites there too, Faithfully Serving the Lord.
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